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Old August 12th, 2008, 12:23 PM   #321
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Nope. I am sure there has more history taken place in Asia Minor and the whole Middle East than in most parts of Europe (except perhaps Greece)... Look how much high culture there was in that region when Europe had nothing spectacular to offer yet.
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Old August 12th, 2008, 03:53 PM   #322
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In Europe, Rome by far. Historical and archaeological monuments are everywhere.
Roman monuments: Colosseum, Pantheon, St. Angel Castle, Theatre of Marcellus, Constantine Arch, Trajan Markets, Basilica of Constantine and Massentius, Baths of Caracalla, the Roman Walls, Ara Pacis...
Archaeological sites: The Roman Forum, the Palatine Hill, the Appian Way, the Catacombs...
Rome is the city with the greatest number of egyptian obelisks in the world (13).
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Old August 12th, 2008, 07:46 PM   #323
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I don't think there can be a single most historic city in the world, since there were so many unique cultures developing individually. However, I agree when people say that Rome is the most historic in Europe. I would nominate Istanbul as well. Check out my list, it's a few pages back. I organised it into different spheres, because judging it any other way is like comparing apples to oranges.
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Old August 13th, 2008, 10:53 AM   #324
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Old August 13th, 2008, 01:23 PM   #325
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1. Rome Italy
2. Athens Greece
3. Jerusalem Israel
4. Damascus Syria
5. Varanasi India
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Old August 13th, 2008, 06:12 PM   #326
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These are already five reasonable candidates!
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Old August 14th, 2008, 12:38 AM   #327
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Old August 14th, 2008, 12:40 AM   #328
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How do you know which city is more or less historic??

I supose you are ranking the oldest cities
yes i do.
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Old August 16th, 2008, 12:46 AM   #329
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Damascus, Syria
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Old August 19th, 2008, 08:23 PM   #330
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Old August 19th, 2008, 09:56 PM   #331
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Xian 3100 years of history, twice the worlds largest city and the eastern counterpart to Rome and its empire. The ancient city of Chang'an had the largest palaces in history, each 3.5, 6,and 7.5x the Forbidden City in Beijing. It still has its ancient walls and temples, and of course its world famous 2000 year old tombs (the terracotta army, which will take another 50 years to excavate, in addition to the 30 years already), is only one of 700 tomb sites in the area. The largest is still yet to be even probed. The city's historical sites will never be excavated in our lifetime.


The other city in the East with a good stab at the title is Kyoto, dating from 800AD (though quite recent by East Asian standards) but with no less than 3000 ancient temples and shrines.

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Old August 19th, 2008, 10:47 PM   #332
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However the one city that I have to say is the most historic is Damascus, the worlds oldest city (already ancient by the time the Egyptians began on the pyramids). Its bloody 8000 years old and full of old buildings, masses of archaeology alongside one of the worlds largest Old City's.






It was continuously inhabited as a major trading port till the the Aramaean takeover (who built the canal system), then the Mesopotamians who fought off the Egyptians, Assyrians and Israelites, then the Babylonians, and millennia later the Persians. It declined under Akexander (of the Greeks) but reasserted itself under the Romans, then the Nabataeans (who ruled from Petra), then the Romans again. It established itself on the caravan routes from Petra, Palmyra and Arabia aswell as the convergence of the fabled Silk Route from China, whilst operating under the Roman province of Syria, and later Byzantine, becoming the birthplace of several popes. It was conquered by the Muslims under the Ummayad Empire which stretched from Spain to India. It fell to the Abbasid Caliphate that ruled from Baghdad, becoming the capital for a short period as the capital was being transferred to Samarra.

Right, all this and the date is still only 858 AD.


Shortly after the Egyptians took the city, but it was reclaimed back years later, only to fall once again, this time into the hands of the Hamdanids. In turn it fell (twice) to the Qaramita. The Fatimids of the Cairene Caliphate finally took the city ushering a period when the Berbers fought off the Bedouins, Ottomans and Qaramita, losing out to a brief period of self rule, before falling to the Fatimids once more, this time from the Ottoman Caliphate, who restored the city's prosperity, and instated a more Islamic streetplan of narrow lanes and harat enclosures. When the Seljuk Turks took the city it became a capital once more of independent states, only to be overtaken by another Turkic Dynasty, the Burid Emirs, who valiantly fought off the first of the Crusaders from Europe. It fell instead to the Zengids of Aleppo, the great enemy of the Crusaders, who made it their capital. On the death of the Zengid dynasty the city was acquired by Saladin of Egypt, who made it his capital too, quickly drawing the 'youth from round the world' to its areas of study and seclusion. After Saladins death it was wrested between the Uyyabids, falling to 8 different rulers over the years, and under siege from Crusaders once again. However it was lost instead to a huge empire from the Far East. The year is 1260, the Mongols had only just arrived.

After the withdrawal of the Mongols the Mamluk Empire took over, based from Egypt. It was at this time the city fell to Timur of the Turco-Mongols, going through its most harrowing ordeal. Its artisans and luckier inhabitants were taken to their capital in Samarqand (present day Uzbekistan) as slaves, whilst the city was sacked and a vast pyramid of heads made outside its walls. After the devastation the Mamluks retook and rebuilt the city, making it a provincial capital. It fell once again to the Ottoman Turks on their conquest to Egypt a century later, defending off a Persian Saffavid and Mamluk alliance aswell as from the Porte for the following 400 years. It was a city eyed for its importance as the start of the Hajj caravans to Meccah, falling briefly to the Pasha of Egypt.


It is now 1918, the Arab Revolt along with British help sees off the Ottomans and a Kingdom of Syria is declared, only to fall two years later (with a secret pact with Britain) to the French. In 1925 the French brutally suppressed the Druze forces, burning down part of the city, again bombing it in 1945 under Vichy France (French forces operating under German conquest) after the Allied Forces briefly took it over. In 1946 the Syrian Arab Republic was proclaimed.

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Old August 20th, 2008, 01:04 AM   #333
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Xian 3100 years of history, twice the worlds largest city and the eastern counterpart to Rome and its empire. The ancient city of Chang'an had the largest palaces in history, each 3.5, 6,and 7.5x the Forbidden City in Beijing. It still has its ancient walls and temples, and of course its world famous 2000 year old tombs (the terracotta army, which will take another 50 years to excavate, in addition to the 30 years already), is only one of 700 tomb sites in the area. The largest is still yet to be even probed. The city's historical sites will never be excavated in our lifetime
Its Xi' an.
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Old August 20th, 2008, 12:18 PM   #334
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ROMA

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Why? There were other cities and cultures in Middle East, East Asia, Africa and Central America who already had high culture, when Rome was still an unknown little village (IF it was a village)!
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Old August 22nd, 2008, 04:39 AM   #335
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agree... China or Egypt for example had civilization 2000 years before the Roman empire.
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Old August 22nd, 2008, 05:50 AM   #336
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Damascus is 8000 years old, already an ancient 2500 year old city when the Egyptians were building the Pyramids.

Ruled by the:

Aramaeans
Mesopotamians
Babylonians
Persians
Greeks
Romans
Nabataeans
Romans again
Ummayads
Abbasids
Hamdanids
the Qaramita.
Cairene Fatimids
self rule
Ottoman Fatimids
Seljuk Turks
Burid Emirs
Zengids
Saladin of Egypt
Uyyabids
Mongols
Mamluks
Turco-Mongols
Mamluks
Ottoman Turks
Pasha of Egypt.
Kingdom of Syria
French
Vichy French
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Athens, Rome, Xi'an, Cairo
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Old August 23rd, 2008, 09:02 PM   #338
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The city of ╔vora in Portugal...

It has a Roman Temple...
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Why not Povoa de Varzim?
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