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Old January 24th, 2009, 02:04 AM   #381
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Well, nice thread. It's an interesting discussion. For me the most important cities in the History of Humanity are:

1. Babylon (Iraq)
2. Athens (Greece)
3. Rome (Italy)
4. Jerusalem (Israel/Palestine)
5. Sparta (Greece)
6. Teheran (Iran)
7. Sidon (Lebanon)
8. Tiro (Lebanon)
9. Constantinopla (Turkey)
10. Venetia (Italy)
11. Sagres (Portugal)
12. Lisbon (Portugal)
13. Sevilla (Spain)
14. Madrid (Spain)
16. Amsterdan (Netherlands)
17. London (England)
18. Paris (France)
19. Marseille (France)

The rest still in a lower degree, but for the moment the cities cited were extremely important for the routes of Humanity from ancient times until the division of Modern/Contemporary age...in the Contemporary age, the number of important cities doubled, but I prefer to make this list so far.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 08:01 AM   #382
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1. Athens, Greece
2. Istanbul, Turkey
3. Rome, Italy
4. Jerusalem, Palestine/Israel
5. Damascus, Syria
6. Beijing, China
7. Jaipur, India
8. Paris, France
9. Kyoto, Japan
10. Venice, Italy
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Old March 16th, 2009, 11:03 PM   #383
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1. .............no city
2. Rome
3. Beijing
4. Jerusalem
5. Damascus
6. Athens
7. Delhi
8. Paris
9. Kyoto
10. London
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Old March 19th, 2009, 03:00 AM   #384
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it should be cairo. the rest are just blah.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 05:39 AM   #385
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excuse me? the only person who should be banned is you for posting non-sensical and irrelevant messages
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Old March 19th, 2009, 08:20 PM   #388
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For me:

1 - Rome
2 - Seville
3 - London
4 - Cordoba, Toledo, Lisbon, Paris, Berlin, Valencia, Granada, Venice, Naples, New York...

Rome is the heart of the western civilization. Seville the center of the Era of the Empires and the european door to the New World. London is the place were started the Industrial Revolution.

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excuse me? the only person who should be banned is you for posting non-sensical and irrelevant messages
im sorry, im not talking to you, im talking to the user who is spamming before, mods already deleted the spam posts above my post
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Old March 20th, 2009, 02:19 AM   #390
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New York...
what the heck is so historic about new york? apart from immigration and capitalism/money/wealth success?
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Old March 20th, 2009, 03:04 AM   #391
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skyline wise they are the most historic. historical is quite subjective now-a-days.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 03:10 AM   #392
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Old March 20th, 2009, 03:28 AM   #393
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Old March 20th, 2009, 02:50 PM   #394
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London is the place were started the Industrial Revolution.
No it wasn't.

Many places claim that accolade but not London. It was either:

a) The iron and engineering works of the English Midlands;
b) The factories of South East Lancashire; or,
c) A mix of both.
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historical is quite subjective now-a-days.
This is the funniest thing ive read today after looking at this thread! lol

For me History means 'his' 'story' or mans story. Therefore it is the cities that have been part of or were the major centers of control or change during man story (ie to where we are now). While some say here that asian cities were more influential during earlier periods than European ones, the fact remains that they were only influential over thier regions and never had any real influence over Europe, Americas etc. While the leading cities during colonial times had huge influence over the entire planet during their 'influential' times. Ask a chinese or indian person about the history of london and they wont know much, but ask them about the opium wars or the British Raj and they will know quite a bit, even if the residents of London know next to nothing about them. There is no vice versa situation in history where an Indian state or Asian state or any other state outside of Europe has affected say Paris, Madrid or London (i say these as they were the main colonial powers). The closest were the Turks who got to the gates of Vienna a few times and were pushed back.

Given what i have said i think there is a strong argument to be made about the city that has had the most influence over the most amount of people, be that people by area (British Empire) or people over time (who knows).
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Old March 31st, 2009, 07:03 PM   #396
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Byblos, Lebanon

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Byblos is one of the richest archaeological areas in Lebanon and the world, it is one of the top contenders for the oldest inhabited city award. Modern scholars say the site of Byblos goes back more than 10000 years. Its name was the origin of the Greek word "biblion" which means "book", giving us hence "bibliography" and "Bible”.

Long before Greece and Rome, this ancient town was a powerful, independent city-state with its own kings, culture and flourishing trade. For several thousand years it was called "Gubla" and later "Gebal", while the term "Canaan" was applied to the coast in general. In 1200 BC, the Greeks gave it the name "Phoenicia", referring to the coastal area. And they called the city "Byblos" (Papyrus in Greek), because this commercial center was important in the papyrus trade.

Under the domination of the Egyptian Pharaohs in the 3rd and 2nd millennium BC, Byblos was a commercial and religious capital of the Phoenician coast.
Meanwhile, the scribes of Byblos developed an alphabetic phonetic script, the precursor of our modern alphabet which had traveled by the year 800 BC to Greece, changing forever the way man communicated. The earliest form of the Phoenician alphabet found to date is the inscription on the sarcophagus of King Ahiram of Byblos which is now in the Lebanese National Museum.

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1. Istanbul
2. Cairo
3. Damascus
4. Athens
5. Rome
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Old May 1st, 2009, 12:23 AM   #398
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Asia Minor.
It's right up there with Iberia, Scandinavia, and Indochina as a historic city.
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Old May 1st, 2009, 04:16 AM   #399
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For me:

1 - Rome
2 - Seville
3 - London
4 - Cordoba, Toledo, Lisbon, Paris,
Berlin, Valencia, Granada, Venice,
Naples, New York...

Rome is the heart of the western civilization. Seville the
center of the Era of the Empires and the european door
to the New World. London is the place were started the
Industrial Revolution.

Nothing about Athens? And why the Spanish cities? London? New York? Hello!
We're talking about the most (as the title says) historic cities here, in case you
haven't noticed!

About Europe's most historic cities:
Just because Rome is full of ancient historical buildings, that doesn't make it the
oldest, most historic city in Europe. Then again: "The architecture of ancient
Rome adopted the external architecture of ancient Greece"


Rome was founded on 21 April 753 BC and grew from a small Italian village.
The oldest standing structure in Rome, is the Pantheon (from Greek: Πάνθειον,
meaning "Every god"), and was built in 125 AD.

Athens was inhabited from Neolithic times. It has been continuously inhabited for
over 4,500 years. At that times, there was no Rome. One of the most important
surviving buildings of Athens, is The Parthenon (from Greek: Παρθενών), and was
built in the 5th century BC.

The History of Athens is one of the longest of any city in Europe and in the world.
Its cultural achievements during the 5th century BC laid the foundations of western
civilization.



Anyways, whenever I hear of European history, the first thing that comes to my mind is
Ancient Greece, and then Ancient Rome. Here's Europe's history (from Greek: Εὐρώπη)
Meaning broad (eur-) and eye (op-, opt-), "wide-gazing", "broad of aspect")
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Old May 1st, 2009, 05:02 AM   #400
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Nothing about Athens? And why the Spanish cities? London? New York? Hello!
We're talking about the most (as the title says) historic cities here, in case you
haven't noticed!

About Europe's most historic cities:
Just because Rome is full of ancient historical buildings, that doesn't make it the
oldest, most historic city in Europe. Then again: "The architecture of ancient
Rome adopted the external architecture of ancient Greece"


Rome was founded on 21 April 753 BC and grew from a small Italian village.
The oldest standing structure in Rome, is the Pantheon (from Greek: Πάνθειον,
meaning "Every god"), and was built in 125 AD.

Athens was inhabited from Neolithic times. It has been continuously inhabited for
over 4,500 years. At that times, there was no Rome. One of the most important
surviving buildings of Athens, is The Parthenon (from Greek: Παρθενών), and was
built in the 5th century BC.

The History of Athens is one of the longest of any city in Europe and in the world.
Its cultural achievements during the 5th century BC laid the foundations of western
civilization.



Anyways, whenever I hear of European history, the first thing that comes to my mind is
Ancient Greece, and then Ancient Rome. Here's Europe's history (from Greek: Εὐρώπη)
Meaning broad (eur-) and eye (op-, opt-), "wide-gazing", "broad of aspect")
If you don't know any about history is not my problem.

1. Rome => the heart of the Western Civilization
2. Seville => the main city of the Spanish Empire, the door to America
3. London => the city of the Industrial Revolution and the British Empire

The spanish cities: Toledo (the city of the three cultures), Cordoba (the capital of Al-Andalus), Valencia (the major city of the Crown of Aragon in its Golden Age), Granada (the moorish latest reduct in Europe).

Other cities: Paris -> Human rigths, Lisbon -> Navigation, Venice -> trade, Naples -> power, New York -> the new era.

There are more cities (Athens, Instambul, Copenhagen, Milan, Geneva, Genoa, Marseille, Brussels, Manchester, Moscow, etc.), but i can't mention all of them.

All this cities are in the history books as the main cities (with others that i no mentioned) in the western world history, and the western world history is the HISTORY of the entire world.

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