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Old May 1st, 2009, 05:29 AM   #401
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Obviously, you have no clue what you are talking about. I suggest that you check
this thread's title once again, then come back with some better arguments. This thread
is about the "most" historic cities. Spanish cities might be historic, but surely they are
not among the "most" historic cities, nor New York or London, (As you said in your other
post (in which by the way you did not even mention Athens). I'm sorry, but this just
proves how ignorant you are, when it comes to history When Athens was founded
and inhabited, Rome did not even exist, because it was founded 17 Centuries later.

Here, get your facts straight:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athens
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Athens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Rome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Europe

You'll soon realise that when it comes to European history,
It always goes like this:
First: Greece
Later: Rome

Even the word "Europe" is Greek

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Old May 1st, 2009, 05:53 AM   #402
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Athens is your city. Ok. But it's not the most historic city if you like or if not.

Rome is the most historic city, not any other.
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Old May 1st, 2009, 06:12 AM   #403
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You don't seem to understand anything I said
I even posted some official FACTS to help you out,
but it seems they didn't help you at all! Anyway,
lo que tu digas amigo, I'm not gonna be the one to educate
you here Buenas noches!
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Old May 1st, 2009, 09:27 AM   #404
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Rome hands down.

Athens deserves to be mentioned but visibly there is little left of that history. The same goes for most of the Chinese cities (Xi'an or Beijing) for example.

My own village is celebrating its 100th Birtday today named after our queen Juliana. In contrast to other in this thread I won't nominate my own village.
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Old May 1st, 2009, 02:20 PM   #405
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Concerning European History: Athens wins, hands down.

I've proved my point in previous posts, with official historical data, you can check them out. Case closed.

Cheers!
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Old May 1st, 2009, 03:43 PM   #406
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Most historic doesn't mean 'oldest', Sherlock.

The very fact you are busy defending the honour of your city arguing against people from all over the world speaks for itself. Gotta love SSC.
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Old May 1st, 2009, 04:14 PM   #407
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Most historic, or oldest, it doesn't matter, because in Europe, Athens is both the oldest and most historic city. (History: from Greek ἱστορία (historia). I'm not the one saying all these stuff, there are some official historical facts which you can find out by yourself, and that's ALL I do here, post some good old FACTS.

On the other hand, historically, Rome just looks far more impressive than Athens, but history is not all about the "looks".
But then again "The architecture of ancient Rome adopted the external architecture of ancient Greece", and the first Athenian structure (The Parthenon (from Greek: Παρθενών)) was built some 6 Centuries before the first Roman structure ever built (The Pantheon (from Greek: Πάνθειον, meaning "Every god")

Here ya go :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Athens
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Rome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Europe

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Old May 1st, 2009, 06:44 PM   #408
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Most historic, or oldest, it doesn't matter, because in Europe, Athens is both the oldest and most historic city. (History: from Greek ἱστορία (historia). I'm not the one saying all these stuff, there are some official historical facts which you can find out by yourself, and that's ALL I do here, post some good old FACTS.

On the other hand, historically, Rome just looks far more impressive than Athens, but history is not all about the "looks".
But then again "The architecture of ancient Rome adopted the external architecture of ancient Greece", and the first Athenian structure (The Parthenon (from Greek: Παρθενών)) was built some 6 Centuries before the first Roman structure ever built (The Pantheon (from Greek: Πάνθειον, meaning "Every god")

Here ya go :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Athens
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Rome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Europe
Athens is one of the most important citys in European and Global history, an indeed many things of Rome and the Romans where recyceld from the old Greece, things "The architecture" as you say isn't only from Athens but from the hole of the greek acient world...and that "athen architecture again was inspirated by another...

But in the end i think that Rome just is a bit more important in history during the Roman Republic, the Roman Empire, Italy, the Pope, for hundreds of years Rome was the center of the (western) world, 25% of the people lived in the Roman Empire (of the known world)...

And still today Rome is an important city...capital of Italy, the pope...
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Old May 1st, 2009, 07:18 PM   #409
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what a nice fight!
i think is not so easy to decide if one city is more historical than another,
but
Roman architecture is characterized by use of arch and concrete, greeks didn't use them, so, even if is true that roman culture whas influenced by greeks, in engineering, and pantheon is a perfect example, romans had a wider skill.
Then Pantheon is the oldest building in Rome wich is arrived since now almost untouched, but even coliseum is older, even just of few decades. Rome has a lot of old ruins and works of art even older, and it's very probable that is history as a small village started a few century before the date of birth, wich is a myth.
Athens in Hystory lost its preeminence after being defighted by Sparta and begun a slow decadence even since the Hellenistic period, from then the most important cities of greek culture where others, Like Alexandria. And even in the classical period Athens was a cultural center for the greek world but it never was its only capital.

Rome, after the fall, remained the center of christian western europe and so it mantained a certain prominence, like during renaissance as an artistic centre.

And then, between east asia,india, middle east... i think there are a lot of cities who could struggle, for the title of most hystoric...
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Old May 1st, 2009, 07:55 PM   #410
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Most historic doesn't mean 'oldest', Sherlock.
What the hell does it mean then?
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What the hell does it mean then?
Obviously it's quality that should be considered, not quantity i.e. cities that played the greatest role in shaping human history.
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What the hell does it mean then?
The city which more affected the history.
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Old May 1st, 2009, 08:15 PM   #413
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Most historic, or oldest, it doesn't matter, because in Europe, Athens is both the oldest and most historic city. (History: from Greek ἱστορία (historia). I'm not the one saying all these stuff, there are some official historical facts which you can find out by yourself, and that's ALL I do here, post some good old FACTS.

On the other hand, historically, Rome just looks far more impressive than Athens, but history is not all about the "looks".
But then again "The architecture of ancient Rome adopted the external architecture of ancient Greece", and the first Athenian structure (The Parthenon (from Greek: Παρθενών)) was built some 6 Centuries before the first Roman structure ever built (The Pantheon (from Greek: Πάνθειον, meaning "Every god")

Here ya go :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Athens
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Rome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Europe
Yeah, it just happens to "look" impressive, there isn't any history behind those buildings.

Why don't you actually read the links you provided?

Do you know by any chance that Rome has been for centuries the centre of the two most important and influential institution in the history of Western civilization, i.e. the Roman Empire and the Church?
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Old May 1st, 2009, 09:17 PM   #414
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Just read the history of Europe dudes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Europe

Just google the phrase: "Cradle Of Western Civilization"

You'll soon realize that regarding European history, Ancient Greece will always be first mentioned, then Ancient Rome. Even if you like it or not

I'm sure most of you don't even know what the words: Europe, Parthenon, Pantheon, or even Rome mean. I know cause they're all Greek words

When Athens was founded, Rome did not even exist. Case closed, I'm out
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It's like the fifth time you say case closed, but each time someone doesn't mention Athens as their first choice you unfailingly go mad.
Good luck with your struggle, for what I am concerned there's no point in debating the obvious.
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Just read the history of Europe dudes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Europe

Just google the phrase: "Cradle Of Western Civilization"

You'll soon realize that regarding European history, Ancient Greece will always be first mentioned, then Ancient Rome. Even if you like it or not

I'm sure most of you don't even know what the words: Europe, Parthenon, Pantheon, or even Rome mean. I know cause they're all Greek words

When Athens was founded, Rome did not even exist. Case closed, I'm out
yes, so the Flinstonens were there before the greek...so they have the most historic city, case closed
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Who is talking about Pre-Historic, or Dark Age period? During these periods, people were all the same, all over the world. Painting funny stuff in caves, and acting weird. We are talking about the first Civilization in Europe, we are talking about when, and how the values that define "Western Civilization" and Europe (as it is today) were born.


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It's like the fifth time you say case closed, but each time someone doesn't mention Athens as their first choice you unfailingly go mad.
Did I said "case closed" only five times? You sure you counted them right? I'm about to say it once more, for the sixth time: Case closed. I'm just trying to help ignorant people (who don't even mention Athens as a historic city), to get to know a little bit more of Europe's history. Peace
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Angkor, Cambodia has over 100 ancient stone temples. It had been the largest preindustrial city in the world between ninth century to the fifteenth century A.D. The size is 3000 km2. It's also the largest archaeological site in the world.
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Old May 3rd, 2009, 01:29 AM   #419
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Who is talking about Pre-Historic, or Dark Age period? During these periods, people were all the same, all over the world. Painting funny stuff in caves, and acting weird. We are talking about the first Civilization in Europe, we are talking about when, and how the values that define "Western Civilization" and Europe (as it is today) were born.
ugh not all over the world ......maybe just in europe
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The Prehistoric period (has nothing to do with classical antiquity)
was actually a huge one, which started millions of years ago, where the
first human-like beings inhabited the Earth.



These human fellas firstly appeared in Africa, and then in Europe and Asia.
Not sure if any of the other places on Earth had ever been inhabited by
them during that period.
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