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Old May 3rd, 2009, 09:48 AM   #421
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What have the Romans ever done for us anyway?
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Old May 3rd, 2009, 10:46 AM   #422
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Old May 3rd, 2009, 12:50 PM   #423
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Old May 3rd, 2009, 01:36 PM   #424
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What have the Romans ever done for us anyway?
You should not ask what have the Romans done for us but what can we do for the Romans.

(you're typing latin alphabet writing in a language which is not a neolatin one, strictly speaking, but whose vocabulary is about 55% stemming from latin or neolatin languages though btw)
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Old May 4th, 2009, 06:49 AM   #425
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western heritage are all on the ground
while china, mostly underground.
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Old May 4th, 2009, 09:10 AM   #426
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You can argue more people through history were affected by Xian than Rome, the Eastern empirical counterpart at the time, and larger city, and big helping of Chinese culture through the ages, that to this day affects 1.5 billion Chinese round the world. Also the then 'vassal states' in SE Asia, Middle East, Japan and Korea absorbed alot of Han culture, as did Chinese conquerors such as the Mongols and Manchurians. Ancient cultural cities like Kyoto and Nara owe their style and planning to Xian (basically what is today's grid plan with grand axes), followed later by old Edo (Tokyo) and Seoul.
Ironically, these "1.5 billion Chinese" have mostly adopted cultural elements that ultimately trace to Rome. Same goes for SE Asia, Japan and Korea. Not so sure about the Middle East though.

It's really just common sense. How many countries today have the word "Republic" in their official names?

BTW, historical Seoul is not based on grid-plan. Seoul was designed to improve defensive capabilities and to fit in with the natural landscape, most importantly the mountains and rivers. This traditions persists to this day - there is a tight height restriction within traditional Seoul, so that no buildings will be taller than the mountains surrounding it.

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Ironically, these "1.5 billion Chinese" have mostly adopted cultural elements that ultimately trace to Rome. Same goes for SE Asia, Japan and Korea. Not so sure about the Middle East though.

It's really just common sense. How many countries today have the word "Republic" in their official names?
I thought you guys had DaehanMinguk first!
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Old May 4th, 2009, 09:47 AM   #428
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I thought you guys had DaehanMinguk first!
Yes, the official name of South Korea is the Republic of Korea. Minguk = Republic/Democracy. So what's your point?
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Yes, the official name of South Korea is the Republic of Korea. Minguk = Republic/Democracy. So what's your point?
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Old May 4th, 2009, 01:36 PM   #430
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Old July 5th, 2009, 02:20 PM   #431
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Old July 6th, 2009, 08:40 PM   #432
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It's right up there with Iberia, Scandinavia, and Indochina as a historic city.
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Old July 6th, 2009, 09:28 PM   #433
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Old July 6th, 2009, 09:45 PM   #434
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Old July 15th, 2009, 08:51 PM   #435
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no doubt,this is Saint-Petersburg,Russia
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Old July 16th, 2009, 04:25 AM   #436
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 06:00 AM   #437
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Old November 1st, 2009, 12:06 AM   #438
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I think that the most historic city does not necessarily have to be the OLDEST city. I think a historic city is a city that has been shaped and marked by history, in a visual sense.
Many cities people list here have their origins thousands of years in the past. But they have very little, if anything at all, to show for it. Disasters, wars, planologists have all wreaked havoc on many cities. Damascus for instance is widely regarded as one of the longest inhabited places on earth, but the oldest buildings on view date from the Omajjad period (7th century) and the general outlook of the city is decidely modern. The same goes for Patna, which used to be Pataliputra, and which has nothing to show for its 4000 years of history.
And to mention Catalhuyuk is just ridiculous. It's an uninhabited ruin, not a city anymore. Interesting, important, sure. But not a living city.

So in my opinion, the title should go to the city where the past is the most tangible, especially when that past stretches for several epochs. As beautiful as Amsterdam is, almost everything you see there dates from a period that lasted roughly 300 years. Nice but not enough to win the title!

ROME, however has tangible and very impressive architecture that spans over two thousand years! From the early Roman architecture to the early mediaeval (Santa Prassede church!), to the high mediaeval, to Renaissance, to Baroque... even in the 1960's Pier Luigi Nervi gave Rome a new monument with the Palazzo del Sport!
Another city worthy of the title has got to be ISTANBUL, where layer upon layer of a rich and complex past has been preserved beautifully.
The third city I would like to nominate is BERLIN, which isn't nearly as old as Rome or Istanbul, but which has preserved such poignant remains of painful epochs in our history. I cannot think of any city that has been through a greater ordeal than Berlin did in the 20th century: ravaged by two wars and cut in half by the Berlin Wall... and it survived all that! It is the greatest testimonial to the human ability to overcome all adversity, and that is why I want to honour the city of Berlin in this list. History isn't just about mankind's great moments, but also about its darkest ones.
Completely agree. But alas, Berlin doesn't have ahem.. lets put it midly 'obsessed fans' here who would come by a thread like this and promote it heavily and biased as some London/Paris members do

And it is not only the World War II or the wall , Berlin was by far more influencial then Paris during a long period in history in its prime time until it got destroyed during the war.
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 04:21 PM   #439
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Jericho... arh... I'm sure it is one very historic city... never really seen its pics b4 tho'... anyone care to share?

Another contender from that part of the world that I could think of is... Cairo?
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