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Old May 4th, 2011, 08:44 AM   #521
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one of my qualifiers for the most historic city is its contribution to the world (not merely its age)... my first 5 cities' legacy to humanity is quite obvious...

athens
rome
jerusalem
new york
london...

next 5 could be:
beijing
cairo
paris
mecca
mexico
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Old May 4th, 2011, 11:38 AM   #522
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one of my qualifiers for the most historic city is its contribution to the world (not merely its age)... my first 5 cities' legacy to humanity is quite obvious...

athens
rome
jerusalem
new york
london...

next 5 could be:
beijing
cairo
paris
mecca
mexico
Newyork and London .....this is not historical city but cities of Industrial and modern world.....and Humanity...athens,rome were most violent history in whole world.....
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Old May 4th, 2011, 11:49 AM   #523
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Well-behaved nations seldom make history.
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Old May 4th, 2011, 04:33 PM   #524
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Old May 5th, 2011, 06:09 AM   #525
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Historic doesn't really have to mean it has lots of old buildings. You guys might be referring to "ancient cities". Historic means that a lot of significant events that concern humanity happened there.

So for me some of the historic cities would include Rome, London and Jerusalem.


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Old May 5th, 2011, 06:12 AM   #526
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Newyork and London .....this is not historical city but cities of Industrial and modern world.....and Humanity...athens,rome were most violent history in whole world.....

London is still historical because of the industrial revolution.



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Old May 5th, 2011, 06:19 AM   #527
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Newyork and London .....this is not historical city but cities of Industrial and modern world.....and Humanity...athens,rome were most violent history in whole world.....
London has a history that can be traced back 2,000 years... fair sure that's somewhat historic, no?
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Old May 5th, 2011, 09:22 AM   #528
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Newyork and London .....this is not historical city but cities of Industrial and modern world.....and Humanity...athens,rome were most violent history in whole world.....
london=industrial revolution (i hope i don't need to elaborate on this)...
new york=you don't have to look back to the age of dinosaurs, just the last 100 years is more than enough history...

you'll be surprised there are more events relevant to the world that happened in NYC in the past 100 years than there is in damascus for thousands of years...

the rise of athens and rome marks the dawn of the age of reason...
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Old May 5th, 2011, 04:37 PM   #529
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This is a thread full of nationalistic pride, something unavoidable of course in threads like this.
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the rise of athens and rome marks the dawn of the age of reason...
"Dawn of the age of reason"
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Old May 5th, 2011, 11:23 PM   #532
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1.Cairo is the oldest as well as historical....and of course ..
Cairo the oldest city??? Some people here seem to confuse the age of the Pyramids with the actual age of the city of Cairo.
Cairo was built in in 969 A.D. by Fatimid dynasty, while Athens and Rome existed many many centuries before Cairo...so the title "oldest city" is way too far from the truth.

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London has a history that can be traced back 2,000 years... fair sure that's somewhat historic, no?
True, but London's impact in the world doesn't count for more than the last 3 centuries.

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"Dawn of the age of reason"
as many historians would suggest. that is...
ok, frankly, it could be because of the rise of some of the greatest thoughts/ideas and philosophers from those places...

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True, but London's impact in the world doesn't count for more than the last 3 centuries.
having influenced the world in a scale that it did, that 3 centuries of london's history is greater than other older cities' contribution to humanity... what did we get from, say, damascus in its thousand-year history???
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As i see it, Athens should be considered the cradle of Democracy. It wasn't a democracy as we would view it to be today, since they kept Slaves, many of them in fact. But it was the first ancient state to adopt true democratic laws - Not only voted their leaders, but they also had a ( very fair, even for modern standards ) legal system, had a parliament ...

I mean, if you see it, you must be blind not to see the seeds of a modern state in the way ancient Athenians had shaped their political and legal system. And that happened over 2000+ years ago.
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Old May 6th, 2011, 11:30 AM   #535
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having influenced the world in a scale that it did, that 3 centuries of london's history is greater than other older cities' contribution to humanity.
I realy don't see how London's impact to humanity is bigger than Athens'...
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ROMA and ISTAMBUL ( CONSTANTINOPLA)

Ofcourse cities like Athens, Babylon and Persepolis where huge at its time, but right now they are lost or like Athens, not able to be as vibrant as Rome or Istambul still now a days.
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So, Rome and Istanbul are both among the most historic cities because they
are more vibrant than Athens today, which is a a less historic city?

Leave the vibrant and fancy stuff out. History is about the studies of past events.
The past is a term used to indicate the totality of events which occurred before a
given point in time. Mentioning New York or London in such threads is absurd.
Athens the oldest and most historic city in Europe.

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Athens, capital of Greece. It is located inland near its port, Piraeus, on the
Saronic Gulf in eastern Greece. The source of many of the West’s intellectual
and artistic conceptions, including that of democracy, Athens is generally
considered the birthplace of Western civilization. An ancient city-state, it
had by the 6th century bc begun to assert its influence.

source: Athens, Greece - Encyclopedia Britannica*
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Old May 6th, 2011, 06:02 PM   #538
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I realy don't see how London's impact to humanity is bigger than Athens'...
i didn't say London's impact to humanity is bigger than athens'..
i was only trying to explain to one forumer that london IS a historic city. you should read my previous posts...

like this one...
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one of my qualifiers for the most historic city is its contribution to the world (not merely its age)... my first 5 cities' legacy to humanity is quite obvious...

athens
rome
jerusalem
new york
london...

next 5 could be:
beijing
cairo
paris
mecca
mexico
see! athens is even first in my list!
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Old May 7th, 2011, 05:38 AM   #539
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1.Delhi

2.Jerusalem

3.Istanbul

4.Athens

5.Beijing
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The Indian capital city of Delhi has a long history, including a history as the capital of several empires. The earliest architectural relics date back to the Maurya Period (c. 300 BC); since then, the site has seen continuous settlement. In 1966, an inscription of the Mauryan Emperor Ashoka (273-236 BC) was discovered near Srinivaspuri, which is near Noida. Two sandstone pillars inscribed with the edicts of Ashoka were brought to the city by Firuz Shah Tughluq in the 14th century. The famous Iron pillar near the Qutub Minar was commissioned by the emperor Kumara Gupta I of the Gupta dynasty (320-540) and transplanted to Delhi during the 10th century. Eight major cities have been situated in the Delhi area. The first four cities were in the southern part of present-day Delhi.
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