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Old February 1st, 2006, 12:20 AM   #81
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I mean i agree the buildings are nice, but the location is just dead wrong, the rainforest is unique and special.
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Old February 1st, 2006, 01:04 AM   #82
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I fully understand more rain forest is not being destroyed to make 'way' for these projects... just still these skyscrapers will make those city become more polluted because of more people = more cars ect...

save the rainforest!

Where is the logic in the above? More skyscrapers dont mean the city is receiving immigrants. Its population is growing normally, and more skyscrapers can house these new people instead of them going to live in houses and creating sprawl!!
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Old February 1st, 2006, 01:06 AM   #83
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cities INSIDE the amazon rainforest? do the residents have to be cautious of the somewhat terrifying insects, such as the bug that lays it larvae underneath human skin?

What about australian cities, all in the desert! DO the residents have to be cautions about the poisonous snakes and scorpions??? Do they have to fear the giant australian crocodiles when they go take a swim in their pool? Do they fear being knocked by a boxing canguroo when they take a turn in a street corner?
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Old February 1st, 2006, 01:33 AM   #84
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again nonsense. Read the rest of the thread please. The title is quite misleading. And your answer simply shows you know nothing about these old cities where these skyscrapers are being built and worst, you havent taken your time to LEARN about it, you simply spewed out some generic mumble jumble you read in your local "3rd world is evil" highschool class.
Okay, let's look into the future.In about 8 years, when all of this is built, what will happen? More development, pollution, water and air, and disforesting, from residents and tourists.

But GOOO....... Amazon
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Old February 1st, 2006, 03:00 AM   #85
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Okay, let's look into the future.In about 8 years, when all of this is built, what will happen? More development, pollution, water and air, and disforesting, from residents and tourists.

But GOOO....... Amazon
Its already quite developed pal. As I said, the city of Belém is 400 years old!!

Also, as I ALREADY SAID, building up is much better than SPRAWLING AROUND, like american cities do! The Everglades are under much more stress due to sprawling in Florida than the amazon is under stress due to Belém and Manaus growth.

Since you are so wise, whats YOUR SOLUTION? Move 16 million people out of the amazon? Destroy both Belém and Manaus, each city 400 yrs old and ship all its citizens to Brasil´s northeast? Maybe we should ship them to US. Would like some new immigrants? Maybe we shouldnt build highrises, only sprawl around. That would be good to the environment, right???

REALLY. Tell me your solution.



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LOOK AT THIS FOOLS! THIS IS BELÉM FROM THE AIRPLANE! LOOK HOW COMPACT IT IS, UNLIKE AMERICAN CITIES! SEE HOW ITS ALL UNSPOILED JUNGLE AROUND!
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Old February 1st, 2006, 03:05 AM   #86
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it's called undesirability
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Old February 1st, 2006, 05:42 AM   #87
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no, its called density construction, instead of sprawling.
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Old February 2nd, 2006, 05:17 AM   #88
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Okay, let me pull out a city from a hat Ace, Orlando. What do you think Orlando started like? Wetlands or Disney World? Wetlands of course. Here is my equation

Wetlands > houses > businesses > hotels > skyscrapers > DISNEY WORLD > more development.

But what happen when skyscrapers were built in Orlando? More development and it went outwards. What has this cost the enviroment?

Roads= Taking over animal habitat= animals getting hit by those cars

Cars= pollution, air and water =killing of fish and other animals

Development= more development and more and more= sooner or later, more trees will be destroyed

Solution? Direct them somewhere else. You said it yourselve, Brazil is as large as Europe. I bet you have some land on the shore or other towns that you won't be destroying a rain forest. It's not that hard to say "Sorry, can't build here".
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Old February 2nd, 2006, 10:59 PM   #89
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they are not building in the rain forest. Cant you see in that picture how compact that city is, even having more than 1 million people?
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Old February 3rd, 2006, 05:00 AM   #90
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You can huff and puff as much as you like pal, but nothing good is coming from this. Nobody is buying what you are saying, because you're selling shit here. You talk about cities that have been in the jungle for 'centuries'. Centuries ago, they were not cities, but villages. They have become these urban monsters because of 'ostrich thinking' like yours, erradic destruction of the forest to make way for further settlement and grazing.
It's utterly stupid to say that "we are building up, not out, thus not detroying the forestland. More resident blocks in the city=more people moving in=more land to produce food=more traffic=more roads=more factories=more airports=more pollution=more destruction!!

Also, don't forget, The Brazilian government purposefully established Brasilia in the interior, purposefully destroyed thousands of hectares of forest and still doing so. Yes, it WAS rainforest, which has become a dustbowl!

How to depopulated the forest? High Taxation (environmental tax) to businesses operating the Amazon. Stop all new developments that would increase migration to these centres. New generations will eventually move out- like the countryside to city migrations. The Brazilian government should take action for the preservation of the Amazon is of world interest, not only a brazilian one.
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Old February 3rd, 2006, 06:13 AM   #91
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This is probably the most sad thread of all.

Construction/expansion of cities in the Amazon should be prohibited.

BAD, REALLY BAD NEWS!!
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Old February 3rd, 2006, 06:14 AM   #92
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its not a problem of density, brazil builds very dense and in that sense ecological, also sao paolo has some of the most sophisticated waste treatement systems that will take decades before any american city comes even close.

But the problem is dense cities on the edge of the amazon delta and forest that deforest areas for poorer farming communities to supply them.. these cities should have been planned along the coastline which could be 4-5 times more populated and still there would be space without any need to spread cities around the country.
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Old February 4th, 2006, 06:39 AM   #93
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Geez, everything but the one called "Privelege" looks really lame and boring.
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Old February 4th, 2006, 06:54 AM   #94
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What about australian cities, all in the desert! DO the residents have to be cautions about the poisonous snakes and scorpions??? Do they have to fear the giant australian crocodiles when they go take a swim in their pool? Do they fear being knocked by a boxing canguroo when they take a turn in a street corner?
jesus dude, don't have to cut sick at me just because I asked an innocent question!

Ok, your post is full of bullshit.

What the hell are you talking about, do you even have a clue about Australia? It's not 100% desert, most of our cities are infact dotted along the coast, most of which is lush and green, not "all in the desert". Learn some ****en geography mate. Only a handful of smaller towns are located in deserts, and they are well kept, clean and attractive places.
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Old February 4th, 2006, 07:31 AM   #95
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It's amazing the ammount of bullshit I see from foreigners here. I won't even comment them, as it's a waste of time.


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Also, don't forget, The Brazilian government purposefully established Brasilia in the interior, purposefully destroyed thousands of hectares of forest and still doing so. Yes, it WAS rainforest, which has become a dustbowl!
Brasilia was built over grasslands. The entire and huge region around it are grasslands. Rainforest is only up north.
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Old February 4th, 2006, 07:58 AM   #96
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If the people of Belém and Manaus wouldn't have place to live, where will they go ? to Caribbean, to Africa, to Salvador Bahia ???
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Old February 4th, 2006, 08:53 PM   #97
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Total non sense from a bunch of ignorant people. I'm with you my Brazilian friends... I have to deal with ignorants all day long.....

What about you Americans going to go drill in Alaska for oil!!!! Haven't you learn from the past (Exxon Valdez)... before coming here and start criticizing Brazil, see in into your own courtyard ...
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Old February 4th, 2006, 09:50 PM   #98
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This thread is just stupid. Brazil is a massive country and has a massive population, of course there are going to be cities in the Amazon! The Amazon isn't just some big national park that we from other countries have a say on, its Brazilian land that they own and use for income. Manaus was grew from the rubber industry, same with Belem (also a major trading post for the Amazon), over 200 years ago. Both cities are now around 2 million and have every right to exist where they and to grow where they are, what gives any foreigners a right to say where Brazilians can live in Brazil!

Just remember Europe, the USA, Australia, New Zealand and basically every developed country has cleared most of its natrual forests to get where they are now, at least Brazil still has a major % (still 98% in Amazon State) of theirs left! We only got rich from clearing land and developing it, so why should we condem a developing country for doing when they are trying to develop their economy and improve their citizens quality of life!

Plus these cities are growing upwards not outwards whcih obviously show some willingness to stop sprawl in to native jungle, something most other countries have never done!
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The Brazilian cities Belém of Pará and Manaus, are the biggest cities inside of the Amazonian forest.

Residential buildings under construction in Belém of Pará:

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Belvedere Tower (38 floors)


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