Port of Liverpool - Page 3

TheMerseyOrange · April 6th, 2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pietari

Does any one have any passenger figures for the air and sea passenger movements between the IOM and Liverpool?

2005 sea passenger figures - http://www.iomguide.com/news/general...p?story=100740

2005 air passenger figures - http://www.iomguide.com/news/general...p?story=100595

Note Liverpool still retained a 26% share of the total IoM air passenger market despite BA's 2005 defection to Manchester so they could concentrate on their "core NW business route".

Pietari · April 6th, 2006, 04:11 PM

Cheers - Mo,

Very interesting reading.

Pietari · April 6th, 2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by John-MK

Unless there is a Merseyrail link and non-stop fast access from the centre directly into the JLA terminal building, like at Gatwick, then this Parkway hub falls way short at addressing key points of rail transport in the Mersey area.

John,

There is to be the `Allerton Arrow` from Liverpool Limes Street direct to LSP.

You`ll find more information on the LSP thread.

Paul D · April 12th, 2006, 03:09 PM

Seaforth plays host to new container services Apr 12 2006

THE Port of Liverpool has welcomed the first ships of two new deep sea container services launched by four of the world's largest container shipping operators.

The weekly services by Mediterranean Shipping Company and Maersk Line to Canada and by CMA CGM and China Shipping Container Lines to the Eastern Seaboard of the United States, consolidate Liverpool's position as the major UK port for container trade with North America.

The new North Atlantic links also promise to further enhance Liverpool's container volumes which rose by 10,000 teus in 2005 to a record 626,000 teus and contributed to the growth of more than 1.5m tonnes in the Port's total cargo volume to 33.8m tonnes compared with 32.2m tonnes in 2004.

MSC and Maersk launched their weekly sailing from the Seaforth Container Terminal to Montreal's Termont Terminal with the MSC Brianna.

They were followed by CMA CGM and China Shipping with the CMA CGM Jefferson calling on Liverpool before crossing the Atlantic for New York, Baltimore, Norfolk and Charleston.

Pietari · April 12th, 2006, 03:52 PM

Good.

The more the merrier.

TheMerseyOrange · April 13th, 2006, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by John-MK

...and there are to be larger locks directly into Seaforth...

That would be a hugely significant development but I've not heard mention of it before. What's your source for it, if you don't mind me asking?

John-MK · April 13th, 2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMerseyOrange

That would be a hugely significant development but I've not heard mention of it before. What's your source for it, if you don't mind me asking?

Peel Holdings. The main part is that the largest ships will be on the river side of the dock wall not having to enter locks. Extra large locks directly into Seaforth so that ships can enter and exit irrespective of tides, have been proposed but they are secondary to the river bearthing. If new locks were built, river bearthing and usage of existing Gladstone locks, access is swift in and out of the terminal, taking the largest container ships on the drawing boards.

TheMerseyOrange · April 13th, 2006, 11:35 AM

So it's a new proposal coming directly from Peel and supercedes all previous plans by MDHC?

sjwmoore · April 13th, 2006, 11:49 AM

From MDHC (who are owned by Peel Holdings):

The Mersey Docks and Harbour Company has applied for a Harbour Revision Order to enable the development of an £80 million container terminal on the River Mersey. The scheme is being undertaken in anticipation of the introduction of post Panamax container ships on the North Atlantic and further expansion of Liverpool's total container trade which is now at record levels of more than 600,000 teus a year.

John-MK · April 13th, 2006, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjwmoore

From MDHC (who are owned by Peel Holdings):

The Mersey Docks and Harbour Company has applied for a Harbour Revision Order to enable the development of an £80 million container terminal on the River Mersey. The scheme is being undertaken in anticipation of the introduction of post Panamax container ships on the North Atlantic and further expansion of Liverpool's total container trade which is now at record levels of more than 600,000 teus a year.

All this should have been done 25 years ago.

sjwmoore · April 13th, 2006, 12:12 PM

Here is the proposed site:

TheMerseyOrange · April 13th, 2006, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John-MK

All this should have been done 25 years ago.

Why so?

John-MK · April 13th, 2006, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMerseyOrange

Why so?

Because all the transport infrastructure was in place.

As Liverpool was centre of the UK, near the industrial heartland of the UK, an established mercantile port, of course it made sense to spend money on a fishing village out in the sticks away from the industrial heartland to make the UKs No. 1 port. Obvious isn't it? Yeah.

TheMerseyOrange · April 13th, 2006, 12:37 PM

I meant what was the point of building a facility at Liverpool specifically aimed at attracting post-panamax and super post-panamax vessels 25 years ago? These things aren't cheap and do have to pay for themselves afterall.

Still waiting on an answer to that Peel Holdings query btw.

kung_fuzi · April 13th, 2006, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjwmoore

Here is the proposed site:

This doesn't show any new locks though,does it?

scouserdave · April 13th, 2006, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjwmoore

Here is the proposed site:

SWJ, thanks for that. Having a good look at it now.

BTW What's with the Chester City Council watermark?????

sjwmoore · April 13th, 2006, 01:07 PM

No locks, as its the first river front dock, will have dredged channel. The Chester watermark- thats where i work, its a legal requirement to watermark maps put on the net, or OS would be after my head on a plate! They are a little over the top on that kind of thing. As it happens i have coverage at that scale for Liverpool and Manchester as well as Chester

John-MK · April 13th, 2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sjwmoore

No locks, as its the first river front dock, will have dredged channel.

Locks directly into Seaforth were considered and are still on the agenda but rather back burner. This is not the first riverfront berthing at all. Tranmere oil terminal, which can take quite large tankers, is tidal, and that is way up river opposite the south end docks.

sjwmoore · April 13th, 2006, 01:22 PM

Tranmere is is not a dry cargo dock, which is why I didnt mention it!

scouserdave · April 13th, 2006, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjwmoore

No locks, as its the first river front dock, will have dredged channel. The Chester watermark- thats where i work, its a legal requirement to watermark maps put on the net, or OS would be after my head on a plate! They are a little over the top on that kind of thing. As it happens i have coverage at that scale for Liverpool and Manchester as well as Chester

Thanks

April 6th, 2006, 04:11 PM	#42
Pietari Just something Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Liverpool / London Posts: 3,537 Likes (Received): 0	Cheers - Mo, Very interesting reading. __________________ Business & leisure... Projected investment of £4.5bn+ www.liverpoolwaters.co.uk http://www.wirralwaters.com/ 1,000 maritime companies on Merseyside, employ 26,000 staff with an annual turnover of £2.5bn,15% of the Merseyside economy. The Port of Liverpool handles over 40m tonnes of cargo & 150,000 ship movements a year. The River Mersey is the UK’s 3rd busiest estuary. http://www.shipais.com/index.php The Merseyrail network runs 700 services a day, the most intense of any in the UK apart from London Underground. http://visitliverpool.com/

April 12th, 2006, 03:52 PM	#45
Pietari Just something Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Liverpool / London Posts: 3,537 Likes (Received): 0	Good. The more the merrier. __________________ Business & leisure... Projected investment of £4.5bn+ www.liverpoolwaters.co.uk http://www.wirralwaters.com/ 1,000 maritime companies on Merseyside, employ 26,000 staff with an annual turnover of £2.5bn,15% of the Merseyside economy. The Port of Liverpool handles over 40m tonnes of cargo & 150,000 ship movements a year. The River Mersey is the UK’s 3rd busiest estuary. http://www.shipais.com/index.php The Merseyrail network runs 700 services a day, the most intense of any in the UK apart from London Underground. http://visitliverpool.com/

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April 12th, 2006, 03:09 PM	#44
Paul D Phatang Phatang Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 11,640 Likes (Received): 308	Seaforth plays host to new container services Apr 12 2006 THE Port of Liverpool has welcomed the first ships of two new deep sea container services launched by four of the world's largest container shipping operators. The weekly services by Mediterranean Shipping Company and Maersk Line to Canada and by CMA CGM and China Shipping Container Lines to the Eastern Seaboard of the United States, consolidate Liverpool's position as the major UK port for container trade with North America. The new North Atlantic links also promise to further enhance Liverpool's container volumes which rose by 10,000 teus in 2005 to a record 626,000 teus and contributed to the growth of more than 1.5m tonnes in the Port's total cargo volume to 33.8m tonnes compared with 32.2m tonnes in 2004. MSC and Maersk launched their weekly sailing from the Seaforth Container Terminal to Montreal's Termont Terminal with the MSC Brianna. They were followed by CMA CGM and China Shipping with the CMA CGM Jefferson calling on Liverpool before crossing the Atlantic for New York, Baltimore, Norfolk and Charleston.

April 13th, 2006, 11:35 AM	#48
TheMerseyOrange M.O. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ruritania Posts: 389 Likes (Received): 0	So it's a new proposal coming directly from Peel and supercedes all previous plans by MDHC?

April 13th, 2006, 11:49 AM	#49
sjwmoore sjwmoore Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrington Posts: 1,381 Likes (Received): 0	From MDHC (who are owned by Peel Holdings): The Mersey Docks and Harbour Company has applied for a Harbour Revision Order to enable the development of an £80 million container terminal on the River Mersey. The scheme is being undertaken in anticipation of the introduction of post Panamax container ships on the North Atlantic and further expansion of Liverpool's total container trade which is now at record levels of more than 600,000 teus a year.

April 13th, 2006, 12:12 PM	#51
sjwmoore sjwmoore Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrington Posts: 1,381 Likes (Received): 0	Here is the proposed site:

April 13th, 2006, 12:37 PM	#54
TheMerseyOrange M.O. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ruritania Posts: 389 Likes (Received): 0	I meant what was the point of building a facility at Liverpool specifically aimed at attracting post-panamax and super post-panamax vessels 25 years ago? These things aren't cheap and do have to pay for themselves afterall. Still waiting on an answer to that Peel Holdings query btw.

April 13th, 2006, 01:07 PM	#57
sjwmoore sjwmoore Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrington Posts: 1,381 Likes (Received): 0	No locks, as its the first river front dock, will have dredged channel. The Chester watermark- thats where i work, its a legal requirement to watermark maps put on the net, or OS would be after my head on a plate! They are a little over the top on that kind of thing. As it happens i have coverage at that scale for Liverpool and Manchester as well as Chester

April 13th, 2006, 01:22 PM	#59
sjwmoore sjwmoore Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrington Posts: 1,381 Likes (Received): 0	Tranmere is is not a dry cargo dock, which is why I didnt mention it!