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Old September 4th, 2005, 02:15 PM   #21
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That some (not few) Lithuanians do write the historical Polish names as the Lithuanian ones (not those which these people used to name themselves in real life) is 'caused by incompetence of these people, 'cause Lithuania had deccenier long tradition of Lithuanising the names and some people are not conscious that they were originally Polish. Many modern Lithuanians have their surnames Žukauskas, Kazlauskas, Jasikevičius and so on which are much Lithuanised due to the fact that people who haev them now neevr spoke Polish. So we mix people who spoke Polish and who did not and lithuanise all the historical names due to incompetence or the historical tradition (yes, not fair one, but is everybody of us who does not know to blame? You know it says in Bible: don't blame them, they don't know what they do). It will change. But admit: some people in LTU had and used 2 forms (Lithuanian and Polish and maybe even Rusish version) of their names even themselves in XIX and the beginning of XX century... And so admit the fact that Poles call Vytautas for Witold, Mindaugas for Mędog and Jogaila for Jagielo, Dowkąt for Daukantas (which means suffered a lot in LTU) and so on, although the names most likely were (and sure are) spoken like Lihuanian, just had slavised or latinised written forms. Also the problem was that Lithuanians had not their own written culture for long and took over the slavic written cultures... but that does not mean they had no culture at all or were not Lithuanians then.
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Old October 19th, 2005, 02:02 PM   #22
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Not incompetent but done for a reason, notice how they kept Russian or German names unchanged while lithuanized Polish names. They are just affraid to say that 90% of these churches were built by Poles and by Polish catholics hence the need to fabricate names that never appeared in history.

Of course keep in mind that the lithuanian government (supposedly democratic) to this very day forbids Polish people (who are citizens of Lithuania) to spell their names correctly, not to mention engages in pathetic attempts at falsifying history. What are they affraid of ? Don't they know that forbidding people their basic right will sooner or later backfire on them ? Don't they know that falsy history is like a house of cards and bound to collapse sooner or later ?

It's quite funny that Pushkin didn't become Pushkinas while John Paul II became Jonas Paulius, Pac becomes Pacas while Muryavyov doesn't become Muryavyovas, Cechowicz becomes Cechavicius etc.

All of a sudden hethen and pagan Lithuania is full of Piarists, Carmelites, Jesuits etc. Maybe they came from Mars.

Very beautiful POLISH churches and RUSSIAN temples.




Men why you dispute them the churches, city of Vilnius ???

In Poland you have a very big number of churches ( 20 000 ) and often very gorgeous ... and you have such beautiful cities too .... much more than Lithuania have ( = cities & churches ) ...

So let them their city ... even they didn't accept polish past here ... ok ... many times in history, it was like this ...

If Poland hasn't such a greet number of such a beautiful cities, I could understand you dispute them Vilnius but it's not the case ...
because like I write here, you have many great cities ...

Lithuania without Vilnius is what ?
So you have to admit that Lithuanians will never accept polish past in their city even if it was true what you said here ... Poland without Warsaw ? ... = ... Cracaw or Gdansk etc. are there ...

Why Poland accept so easily German past in Poland ?
Because you have many big cities there ... so if Germans said Breslaw was our, you don't care because you have Crakow, Warsaw etc.

It seems that Lithuania dislike Poland sometimes ... it's Maybe sometime you polish have to admit you're arrogant with them ...

try to make peace ...
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Old October 19th, 2005, 02:24 PM   #23
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Lithuanians accept Vilnius' cultural past, but, of course, doesn't accept that this city should belong to Poland
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Old October 19th, 2005, 02:42 PM   #24
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Lithuanians accept Vilnius' cultural past, but, of course, doesn't accept that this city should belong to Poland

It is sad that two neighbors so close in the history quarrel so hardly after 60 years, it is necessary to forge all this ... future is more important to you than your truly sad past ...

They have Vilinius and you much more ... ( beautiful cities ) ...
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Old January 19th, 2007, 09:23 PM   #25
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Old January 19th, 2007, 10:49 PM   #26
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Row of churches.


Chech the links in my signature. Surprise yourself in Vilnius
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Old January 22nd, 2007, 04:36 AM   #27
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aahh nice picture. Only those damn commieblocks need to be destroyed. However, churches look amazing.
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aahh nice picture. Only those damn commieblocks need to be destroyed. However, churches look amazing.
You can always inbox me if you want to see new side of Vilnius
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Old January 23rd, 2007, 01:32 AM   #29
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You can always inbox me if you want to see new side of Vilnius
well I am from Vilnius myself But thanks anyway
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Old January 24th, 2007, 06:04 PM   #30
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well I am from Vilnius myself But thanks anyway
You are welcome, anyway
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