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Old May 27th, 2011, 11:56 AM   #2221
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http://panorama.dresden.de

You can see facade sheets on Quartier VIII now. Looks like the familiar bluish grey of other Saxon towns will come to Dresden too.
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Old May 27th, 2011, 11:02 PM   #2222
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As someone who is not german, i would love to see Dresden reconstruction as presented below.



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I agree. The so-called "commie blocks" between the Neumarkt and Wilsdruffer-Strasse must go. There will inevitably be a squabble over their replacement, but we can only hope the end result would be something acceptable. I'd like to see them replaced by reconstructions of the 19th century, Neo-Renaissance buildings they replaced after the war, but that will never happen - the architecture of the Koenig-Johann Durchbruch was unpopular almost from the start.

I maintain that everything north of Wilsdruffer-Strasse should be historical and harmonious, but:

A. I don't get a vote, and

B. Too late anyway


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Old May 27th, 2011, 11:26 PM   #2223
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I completely agree!
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Old May 29th, 2011, 10:41 AM   #2224
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I think Dresden is a good example for another German cities, like Hanover, Cologne, Frankfurt am Main etcetera. Why don't they rebuild the Altmarkt too? It had a few nice buildings around it and a nice statue at the center of the place..... Maybe a project for in the future And you know what the Germans would say..........
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Old May 30th, 2011, 11:44 PM   #2225
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Fantastic updates, l'm loving the progress. I think money is better spent filling the empty spaces, before too much more demolition takes place. Although I realize some buildings need to be removed to make way for more historical accurate reconstruction.

Regardless, great job, Dresden should be very proud!
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Old May 31st, 2011, 08:25 PM   #2226
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I think Dresden is a good example for another German cities, like Hanover, Cologne, Frankfurt am Main etcetera. Why don't they rebuild the Altmarkt too? It had a few nice buildings around it and a nice statue at the center of the place..... Maybe a project for in the future And you know what the Germans would say..........
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The Altmarkt has several brand new buildings at its southern edge next to Kreuzkirche and these were built in semi-modernist style. Very boring and mirrors the Kulturpalast directly opposite to the north.
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Old May 31st, 2011, 11:29 PM   #2227
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Old June 1st, 2011, 12:10 AM   #2228
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With every new image i cannot believe how good will that look at the end!!
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Can't wait to see those gables finished and uncovered!
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Old June 1st, 2011, 10:46 AM   #2230
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Kulturplast actually looks pretty good!
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Old June 1st, 2011, 12:18 PM   #2231
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Too bad this long building will take a modern look. I don't mind them mixed up with reconstuctions, only they shouldn't get so expanse.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-T2yGhkSRlE...jY/s1600/5.JPG
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Old June 1st, 2011, 05:47 PM   #2232
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I agree. The so-called "commie blocks" between the Neumarkt and Wilsdruffer-Strasse must go. There will inevitably be a squabble over their replacement, but we can only hope the end result would be something acceptable. I'd like to see them replaced by reconstructions of the 19th century, Neo-Renaissance buildings they replaced after the war, but that will never happen - the architecture of the Koenig-Johann Durchbruch was unpopular almost from the start.

I maintain that everything north of Wilsdruffer-Strasse should be historical and harmonious, but:

A. I don't get a vote, and

B. Too late anyway


My favorite sites (besides this one):

http://www.bausituation-dresden.com/

http://www.architekturforum.net/inde...ID=14&dfee63d4

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The row of buildlings on Wilsdruffer on either side of the kulturpalast are probably going to get 20-30 more years of life. Then, the historic buildings may be reinstated.

It's more likely however, that the Parnaischer platz nearby would be rebuilt in historic fashion since that area remains an empty wasteland of road bypasses. Rebuilding the Parnaischer platz would serve to greatly lessen the eye-sore of Wilsdruffer strasse for sure.
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''The Altmarkt has several brand new buildings at its southern edge next to Kreuzkirche and these were built in semi-modernist style. Very boring and mirrors the Kulturpalast directly opposite to the north.''

*Keepthepast* I really think they should rebuild the Altmarkt to, instead of these semi-modernist buildings with hotels in it. Destroy the Stalin Renaissance houses beside the Altmarkt and build there some old-style houses. Those ugly modernist buildings have to get away and make place for the past

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Old June 1st, 2011, 07:24 PM   #2234
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The row of buildlings on Wilsdruffer on either side of the kulturpalast are probably going to get 20-30 more years of life. Then, the historic buildings may be reinstated.
It's more likely however, that the Parnaischer platz nearby would be rebuilt in historic fashion since that area remains an empty wasteland of road bypasses. Rebuilding the Parnaischer platz would serve to greatly lessen the eye-sore of Wilsdruffer strasse for sure.
I think 10 years of live is more then enough. It's a shame that the commies build those ugly commieblocks beside the streets in the Innercity
And the Wilsdruffer Straße is really an eye-sore. I don't like that Kulturpalast, which they shouldn't call a Culture Palace, because it's more impressing to be an renovated jail then a palace....
Full of hope the Neustadter Markt and the Hauptstraße gets the old Neustadter Rathaus and some really nice other reconstructions there.
By the way, they really did good work there in Dresden. More German cities like Frankfurt am Main, Cologne, Mainz, Munich, Stuttgart and and other destroyed cities should follow their example. Make Germany beautiful again
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Old June 1st, 2011, 08:16 PM   #2235
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Here is a link to another part of Skyscraper City, with tons of great old photos of warrens and alleys of the innenstadt:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=854826

29 pages of treasures!
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Old June 2nd, 2011, 03:17 AM   #2236
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Having been to Dresden last week, I have to say that the whole thing is a bit of a hot ghetto mess! As much as I admire the major reconstructive efforts around the key monuments (i.e. the museums, the religious buildings and - above all else the Fraunenkirche [sp]), the overall effect is a bit of like Disney Land meets the Las Vegas strip effect. In fact, I think the individual houses and the reconstruction of a select few with some questionable proportions really takes away from the signature and important buildings. Modern treatments would have better framed the signature buildings (like the house containing the Ontario Steakhouse, for example). The individually reconstructed and, dare I say "inspired" pseudo-reconstructions, really give off a cheap impression which is unfortunate because it's obvious these buildings cost a lot of money to build.

I have to admit that aside from the riverfront area and the Fraunenkirche, my favourite buildings were the socialist-realist buildings along the Old Town Square and the Kultur Palast.

On the positive, the exterior of the Fraunenkirche is exquisite and impressive! Having climbed the tower to the top was probably the best experience in Dresden, along with walking over the August Bridge and along the river. You get a feel for the city and the chaotic building style(s) from the DDR period which inserted a lot of communist blocks and point towers where there were street frontages before. Just one block north at Post Platz it looks like ... Bucharest. Anyway, seeing the city from this perspective actually highlights how effect and well positioned the socialist-realist buildings along the Old Town Square are and how they perform a rather valuable function!
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Having been to Dresden last week, I have to say that the whole thing is a bit of a hot ghetto mess! As much as I admire the major reconstructive efforts around the key monuments (i.e. the museums, the religious buildings and - above all else the Fraunenkirche [sp]), the overall effect is a bit of like Disney Land meets the Las Vegas strip effect. In fact, I think the individual houses and the reconstruction of a select few with some questionable proportions really takes away from the signature and important buildings. Modern treatments would have better framed the signature buildings (like the house containing the Ontario Steakhouse, for example). The individually reconstructed and, dare I say "inspired" pseudo-reconstructions, really give off a cheap impression which is unfortunate because it's obvious these buildings cost a lot of money to build.

I have to admit that aside from the riverfront area and the Fraunenkirche, my favourite buildings were the socialist-realist buildings along the Old Town Square and the Kultur Palast.

On the positive, the exterior of the Fraunenkirche is exquisite and impressive! Having climbed the tower to the top was probably the best experience in Dresden, along with walking over the August Bridge and along the river. You get a feel for the city and the chaotic building style(s) from the DDR period which inserted a lot of communist blocks and point towers where there were street frontages before. Just one block north at Post Platz it looks like ... Bucharest. Anyway, seeing the city from this perspective actually highlights how effect and well positioned the socialist-realist buildings along the Old Town Square are and how they perform a rather valuable function!
everyone has an opinion. I agree that there appears to be a bit of an uncomfortable blend of architectural periods and styles, but that is a function purely of lack of funds to redo the city 100%, too many people involved who want to maintain some of the horrors of the communist era, and too many people who are not interested in historic preservation and restoration.

I totally disagree with your view of the "value" of the communist block houses that remain. I think Reconstructer put it well...they look like prisons more than anything else.

The disney land comment has been made before. New construction is just that--new, fresh, clean and spiffy. When the houses were originally built 100-400 years ago, they were bright and fresh, too. I think it's great; wish the entire city could be rebuilt with the same styles and energy of the neumarkt.
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It's obvious these buildings are new and not from the fact that they shine in shades of light blue, green and yellow with roof tiles redder than a recently refreshed building in Prague but because the selection of certain treatments, the pseudo-historic frames around certain windows and the roof lines of some of the houses just create a really disproportionate sense of scale. Some of the houses look like they were covered in spandrel and - upon closer inspection - their facades were made from a completely light material that seriously could have been styrofoam. Overall, I think the effect is one of a jumbled mess - which is too bad.

I'm actually entirely for reconstruction, where its warranted and where the reconstruction can reintroduce something positive for a space. I really didn't see that. For me, the socialist realist buildings around the Alt Markt (the ones with classically inspired treatments) were the best proportioned, lively and lived in spaces in the area. The cafes were rammed with locals, people were coming in and out of them doing their daily business and though the Westin (or whatever the hotel is on the one side) was not particularly pleasing, it at least also contributed to the liveliness of the square. If the authorities could find a better use for the Kultur Palast, I would argue that even more positive things could be reintroduced into the centre because ultimately it's not just the look of the building that makes a space special, it's the function and role as well.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 08:20 PM   #2239
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I really don't understand the point. Dresden was completely reduced to rubble and ash; Prague was barely touched and maintaining old buildings with repairs, fresh paint, and clean ups is not at all comparative to rebuiding, from the ground up, structures that are intended to reflect the former times. It is unreasonable to expect that all of Dresden could be a project similar to the Frauenkirche with its use of original stones to some degree; it was one of the few sites left in rubble since 1945. most of the rest of the city was cleared and reconstruction in the manner you seem to be envisioning was and is simply not possible. Current building standards and modern materials to construct and emulate what Churchill blasted into oblivion is a good, reasonable, and likely the only solution, along with a blending of moderism to satisfy the architects who need their selfish thumb stamp on history.

The altmarkt east and west side building blocks are acceptable even though the remain on an inappropriate scale with bad space utilization. The criticism has been the north side of the kulturpalast and its north-side of Wilsdruffer neighbors which are by any measure horribly disgusting.
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I'm saying that both the buildings in Dresden and some of the less than tactful renovations in Prague make structures in both of those cities looks fake. But anyways, point was, that reconstruction will not achieve the effect of the original.
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