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Old November 16th, 2011, 09:48 AM   #2701
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Oh please... All the poor modernism just sucks. End of discussion. Please go somewhere else or create a new thread if you want to continue it.

This one here is only (and by that I mean ONLY) about the Neumarkt project in Dresden!


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Old November 16th, 2011, 12:50 PM   #2702
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Oh please... All the poor modernism just sucks. End of discussion. Please go somewhere else or create a new thread if you want to continue it.

This one here is only (and by that I mean ONLY) about the Neumarkt project in Dresden!


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I cannot agree more. If one is not positivly interested in the Neumarkt reconstruction there is nothing to gain by only spreading shit.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 06:51 PM   #2703
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I agree. Stop slamming the modern introductions to Neumarkt. I will say again......At least the same street pattern is used and the buildings are to scale to create a humanistic feel that is needed. The mix of baroque and modern form a beautiful street scape. There are plenty of historical building all around Dresden so you can get that sense of history (even in altstadt). Dresden is turning into a beautiful place to walk around and enjoy the atmosphere in all senses. Perhaps some people prefer an empty lot that stood there for 65 years. Do you think it feasible to reconstruct every building to the standard of 200 years ago? That will never happen. When you go to Dresden, you will be awestruck by what is going on there. The people, the food, the drink, the scenery, the streets, the reconstructions.......Awesome.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 06:01 PM   #2704
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Old November 17th, 2011, 08:55 PM   #2705
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Thanks for the photos, very interesting, I wonder if these ruins will be kept in the rebuilt palace?
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Old November 18th, 2011, 04:06 PM   #2706
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I have just witnessed a crime.
Horrible, and insane behaviour. Can you imagine the sort of sub-human mindset that would've thought such actions were acceptable

I actually had to delete the cache of my internet browser after watching it as I didn't want any trace of that video left on my computer.
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Old November 18th, 2011, 04:16 PM   #2707
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And who says a city needs a specific "heart" to be viable with obsolete, medieval narrow streets that evoke times in which people thew sewage on streets and pestilence was rampant?

If a city still has such out-of-shape streets, variable length, then fine. Otherwise, it is better to adapt a city to 21st pace. A pace which is FAST, when people move themselves by car, trains, monorails, trams, and don't have time to stare at too detailed buildings and don't care much for what is between their house and workplace as they zip fast on the surface, underground or on some elevates structure.
I'm afraid your attitudes are about 60 years out of date. Where I live, after the war, there were many people who had the same opinions. They wanted to do away with those narrow old streets, to widen roads, to let as many cars into the city as possible, because living in a museum was bad and economically unviable and the future was going to be quite different. Such views have since proven to be wrong. Now the same city is trying to reinstate the same narrow streets that were swept away. Cars are being forced out of the city as much as possible, and clearly as far as a local economy is concerned, many people do want to visit old city centres. People don't want to live in Brutalist high-rise apartment blocks. Modernism only crushes the human spirit and it rarely accomodates it.
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Old November 18th, 2011, 05:58 PM   #2708
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I completely agree with you Wolfpaw.................There is no better feeling in the world when you feel a scense of oneness within your urban environment. Dresden is getting back to that point even with the mix of modern and baroque. I'm happy with it! It's a great feeling when you walk around that town. It gets better every year........
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I'm afraid your attitudes are about 60 years out of date. Where I live, after the war, there were many people who had the same opinions. They wanted to do away with those narrow old streets, to widen roads, to let as many cars into the city as possible, because living in a museum was bad and economically unviable and the future was going to be quite different. Such views have since proven to be wrong. Now the same city is trying to reinstate the same narrow streets that were swept away. Cars are being forced out of the city as much as possible, and clearly as far as a local economy is concerned, many people do want to visit old city centres. People don't want to live in Brutalist high-rise apartment blocks. Modernism only crushes the human spirit and it rarely accomodates it.
And that should be the end of that!
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Old November 18th, 2011, 10:37 PM   #2710
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I wish they would also tear down the Kulturpalast. Such an ugly eyesore in the middle of a beautifully restored oldtown.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 12:39 AM   #2711
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I wish they would also tear down the Kulturpalast. Such an ugly eyesore in the middle of a beautifully restored oldtown.
I have also suggested that,but they say it is the beautiful building
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Old November 19th, 2011, 01:16 AM   #2712
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Kulturpalast is nice, especially mosaic. But i agree, it doesn't fit to Altstadt
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Old November 19th, 2011, 07:43 AM   #2713
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I'm afraid your attitudes are about 60 years out of date. Where I live, after the war, there were many people who had the same opinions. They wanted to do away with those narrow old streets, to widen roads, to let as many cars into the city as possible, because living in a museum was bad and economically unviable and the future was going to be quite different. Such views have since proven to be wrong. Now the same city is trying to reinstate the same narrow streets that were swept away. Cars are being forced out of the city as much as possible, and clearly as far as a local economy is concerned, many people do want to visit old city centres. People don't want to live in Brutalist high-rise apartment blocks. Modernism only crushes the human spirit and it rarely accomodates it.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 12:25 PM   #2714
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I enjoy watching the city of Dresden rising in its former beauty, and I don't think, that it's disneyland. I don't mind the replicas of buildings. As it was mentioned - nobody will be able to recognise reconstructions in 150 years, when they get a little bit dirty. I got a problem with the way how they build. Why do we need to pack every single new house into polystyrene in the name of ecology? Does anybody know, how would it look like in 50 years? Does anybody know, how would people be, living their whole lives in plastic boxes? I live in a panel house with plastic windows and new polystyrene facade and I have to put a wet towel on my heater, because the air inside is so dry that I cannot breath without coughing.

More and more scientist, engineers and architects realise that more than 7 cms of any insulation is just wasting. There’s no ecology of „green“ passive houses. Yes, your „passive“ house doesn’t need energy of outside, but can you imagine, how much energy was used to create 30 cms of your polystyrene, your glass solar panels on your roof? That’s just a hoax, just a big, BIG business. Nowadays, we need loads of energy to create insulation materials. Using more energy = growing prices. Then we start „saving“ = using less energy as before. What would energy companies do? Will they reduce their earnings? No! We will have to pay the same money for less energy to keep the profit = the prices will grow. And the insulation saves just energy used to create it – no energy can be created or saved. Just transformed or not transformed.

Do you belive, that the technologies you paid tens of thousands euros for will be still as functional as today in 30 yrs? We know it exactly about bricks, stone, wood and glass… We build traditional way for hudreds of years and somebody wants to change it in 20 years. Do we know, how would look like theese hi-tech houses as they become less maintained or just after 10 hours of blackout?

Why don’t Dresdeners rebuilt their heritage from traditional materials? That stone framing of windows fixed with steel into concrete and than „packed“ with polystyrene makes me laugh…like this. THIS is disneyland. Not the replica of destroyed house



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Old November 19th, 2011, 04:02 PM   #2715
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Why don’t Dresdeners rebuilt their heritage from traditional materials?
I agree with what you're saying but the simple fact is that it would never be economically viable to rebuild so many structures using traditional materials and techniques. It would simply be too expensive.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 06:43 PM   #2717
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OMG....these painted windows are just ridiculous...
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Old November 19th, 2011, 07:00 PM   #2718
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When I go to Europe again, I want to first see Rome and then second on the list is Dresden. This reconstruction is absolutely amazing and I want to see it first hand real bad.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 07:09 PM   #2719
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OMG....these painted windows are just ridiculous...
I guess that they're only temporary!
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Old November 19th, 2011, 07:55 PM   #2720
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They don't look temporary to me.
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