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Old December 11th, 2011, 07:22 PM   #2761
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They could turn it into a library/bookstore like this church in Maastricht. From a house of ignorance, it can be turned into a house of knowledge.

I think it would be wonderful if they could find a congregation to move into such a reconstruction. However, if that cannot be done then I think a library would be an excellent option. Could you imagine reading surrounded by Gothic pillars and statues? It would be a wonderful experience! I don't really care for the modern style of that library, though I really like the idea. If they were to turn the reconstructed church into a library, I'd hope they'd do it following Gothic fashion.
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Old December 11th, 2011, 07:40 PM   #2762
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They could turn it into a library/bookstore like this church in Maastricht. From a house of ignorance, it can be turned into a house of knowledge.
I think you have to be very knowledgeable or divinely inspired to be able to design and build structures as complex as these churches. Your comment is also completely unecessary.
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Old December 12th, 2011, 06:12 PM   #2763
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Forget the Sophienkirche.......It will never happen. It is just a distant memory now. Just enjoy the old pics of it.
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Old December 12th, 2011, 08:13 PM   #2764
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I like the apartments idea!
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Old December 12th, 2011, 09:51 PM   #2765
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Forget the Sophienkirche.......It will never happen. It is just a distant memory now. Just enjoy the old pics of it.
Didn't they say that about every reconstruction in Dresden?
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Old December 13th, 2011, 01:06 AM   #2766
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They could turn it into a library/bookstore like this church in Maastricht. From a house of ignorance, it can be turned into a house of knowledge.
The real ignorance is in the mind of people like this, they´re so far from real knowledge, what is respect for the others, sad really sad !!
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Old December 13th, 2011, 08:28 AM   #2767
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Who wants to pay for something like this anyway? Does anyone know how much it costs to reconstruct a gothic church (with all the hours of craftmanship in it)?
The Sophienkirche was actually a pretty simple neo-Gothic(!) church. Before the conversion in the late 19th century the church looked like this:

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Old December 13th, 2011, 05:13 PM   #2768
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The Sophienkirche was actually a pretty simple neo-Gothic(!) church. Before the conversion in the late 19th century the church looked like this:

And it looked very nice I like both Sophienkirches but I hope they decide to reconstruct this one to. If they can do the Frauenkirche than why not the Sophienkirche?
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Old December 13th, 2011, 06:01 PM   #2769
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Maybe there is no more money because they have already spent it on the other reconstructions in Dresden.It is better to reconstruct a couple of blocks of town then just one church.And the Frauenkirche is not complicated like Sophienkirche to rebuild,if you know what I mean.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 06:06 PM   #2770
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Maybe there is no more money because they have already spent it on the other reconstructions in Dresden.It is better to reconstruct a couple of blocks of town then just one church.And the Frauenkirche is not complicated like Sophienkirche to rebuild,if you know what I mean.
Actually, no - I don't know what you mean, please explain. While I agree with you that it would be better to spend the money elsewhere in the Neumarkt project, the Sophienkirche looks rather LESS structurally complicated than the Frauenkirche.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 06:19 PM   #2771
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To be perfectly honest I think the Sophienkirche would just be a waste of money. Try to invest this money elsewhere in the reconstruction of pre-war apartments and such.
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Old December 13th, 2011, 06:43 PM   #2772
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I think it would be wonderful if they could find a congregation to move into such a reconstruction. However, if that cannot be done then I think a library would be an excellent option. Could you imagine reading surrounded by Gothic pillars and statues? It would be a wonderful experience! I don't really care for the modern style of that library, though I really like the idea. If they were to turn the reconstructed church into a library, I'd hope they'd do it following Gothic fashion.
I agree with your comments. If you are going to create a library within a Gothic style building the least you can do is respect the surroundings but of course so many current architects/designers are so full of their own overblown egos that they would rather create something that is totally inappropriate and create discourse just to make their "mark". Pathetic really. It would be great to see the Sophienkirche rebuilt in the original designs which are not very complicated but I guess there are more pressing requirements in the rebuilding of this beautiful city.
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Old December 14th, 2011, 12:14 AM   #2773
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I wouldn't be the happiest, If I saw Sophienkirche reconstructed. I don't consider the neo-gothic building as someting unforgetable, just "common" church like many others. I like the old one, but I don't think it would be possible to reconsturct it as it was - there are no remains of it. And building a gothic church today? No way. You can rebuild facades of baroque houses and create modern interior, using outside just as a theatre for tourists. I don't mind it, but rebuilding a gothic church when we don't know how it exactly looked like and what to use it for, with modern way of building - concrete skelet and gothic pillars of insulation? Betther nothing than this...the spirit of the gothic space is gone forever
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Old December 14th, 2011, 01:16 AM   #2774
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I wouldn't be the happiest, If I saw Sophienkirche reconstructed. I don't consider the neo-gothic building as someting unforgetable, just "common" church like many others. I like the old one, but I don't think it would be possible to reconsturct it as it was - there are no remains of it. And building a gothic church today? No way. You can rebuild facades of baroque houses and create modern interior, using outside just as a theatre for tourists. I don't mind it, but rebuilding a gothic church when we don't know how it exactly looked like and what to use it for, with modern way of building - concrete skelet and gothic pillars of insulation? Betther nothing than this...the spirit of the gothic space is gone forever
Why not?

Btw. Sad that Germans lost interest in further reconstruction of that church, that roof could be EPIC!
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Old December 14th, 2011, 03:53 AM   #2775
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Interesting...where is it?
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Old December 14th, 2011, 11:38 AM   #2776
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A few pics from the 60s. Prager Straße:



Stadtschloss:



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Sophienkirche, Taschenbergpalais, Schloss:



Altmarkt and western part of the old town:

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Old December 14th, 2011, 04:18 PM   #2777
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Unbelievable!!! A HUGE waste land in the heart of Dresden.
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Old December 14th, 2011, 06:13 PM   #2778
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What is the ruined structure in the lower left corner?
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Old December 14th, 2011, 07:44 PM   #2779
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Why not?

Btw. Sad that Germans lost interest in further reconstruction of that church, that roof could be EPIC!
But this is not complete rebuilding. I have no problem to accept modern roof over gothic ruins, but there's nothing like this left of sophienkirche...In global, I don't mind reconstructions of churches. Moreover, I prefer historical reconstruction rather than modern way, but don't build just look-like replica. Sophienkirche could be reconstructed, but just with usage of traditional materials and traditional ways of building. And I'm sorry, but this is impossible for today... look, how they build Neumarkt
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Old December 14th, 2011, 08:21 PM   #2780
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But this is not complete rebuilding. I have no problem to accept modern roof over gothic ruins, but there's nothing like this left of sophienkirche...In global, I don't mind reconstructions of churches. Moreover, I prefer historical reconstruction rather than modern way, but don't build just look-like replica. Sophienkirche could be reconstructed, but just with usage of traditional materials and traditional ways of building. And I'm sorry, but this is impossible for today... look, how they build Neumarkt
Why could it not be built with modern methods? If the building will be just as strong and lasting, and look the same, what difference does it made if it is rebuilt with a steel frame?

I'd rather have a building reconstructed with modern materials and methods than no reconstruction at all. The only thing that is really important is if it is identical to the original and will last centuries.
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