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Old January 14th, 2012, 12:05 AM   #2841
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I really think that the problem here in Dresde and in many places where rehabilitation proyects are going on is the fact that you really don`t need to create a reintrepretation , not in the city center of the European cities. You already have the way to do things, just reconstruc the building as it was, but when an architecture studio gets a proyect like this tend to transform the thing by their own vision put their own footprint, and this is not way. You can make reinterpretation in other parts of the city but not in the center where the grid and style was very clear. European cities should be reconstruc by the age of it“s buildings usually that is patern is by rings oldest in the center. Just my opinion.
I agree. The problem is, if a building wasn't pre-documented or there aren't even photographs prior to its destruction, it would a become a guessing game. Thus architects try to fill the gaps with their own interpretations.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 03:39 PM   #2842
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But looking for example the new Frankfurt römer reconstructión you see there is plenty of images streetmaps and documentation, but even in this case you should allow that architectures studios to make a proyect that doesn“t reconstruc at least the front side of the house as it was in 1944. There is even a virtual view of all the medieval town. So whats in the mind of the people who plans the city ??? It will be another Lost Oportunity like it was to build the monster of the technishe rathaus and the back side of the Historic Museum instead of reconstruc this jewel part of that beautifull city.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 07:46 PM   #2843
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What's happening in Dresden now cannot be labelled as Neo-Traditionalist since the construction methods are 21st Century. It cannot also fit the term Neo-Neoclassical since designs are not in the strict classical language (as opposed to the Neoclassical Period), but from various motifs taken from historic styles. I'll vote for Neo-Revival or Neo-Romanticism because what's happening now is very similar to what happened in the Romantic Period in art.
What about "Neo trad"?
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Old January 18th, 2012, 07:01 PM   #2844
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What about "Neo trad"?
In a destroyed historic spaces we've got four types of architecture:

modern creation - material: steel, glass, beton - new buildings are based on modern architecture and are absolutely different towards former historical objects, which was in the same place.

traditional creation - material: wood, brick, stone - new buildings are based on strict traditional architecture (for ex: "Radical Classicism" like Quinlan Terry) and are different towards former historical objects, which was in the same place.

reconstruction - the majority of Dresden's Neumarkt - reconstructed historical objects - the same as it looks in the past.

"retroversion" - some "gaps" in Desden's Neumarkt: postmodern architecture - traditional solid but modern detail or traditional detail - but used in a non-historical manner.
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Old January 18th, 2012, 08:49 PM   #2845
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I agree. The problem is, if a building wasn't pre-documented or there aren't even photographs prior to its destruction, it would a become a guessing game. Thus architects try to fill the gaps with their own interpretations.
That is not the case regarding the Neumarkt, though. And filling the gaps with non-traditional structures is detrimental to the overall aesthetic. "We lost the cello part for this obscure baroque concerto, so we'll just insert a saxophone"
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Old January 19th, 2012, 12:12 PM   #2846
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That is not the case regarding the Neumarkt, though. And filling the gaps with non-traditional structures is detrimental to the overall aesthetic. "We lost the cello part for this obscure baroque concerto, so we'll just insert a saxophone"

You mean synthesizer?
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Old January 23rd, 2012, 06:57 PM   #2847
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You mean synthesizer?
Or worse.
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Old January 24th, 2012, 02:48 AM   #2848
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That is not the case regarding the Neumarkt, though. And filling the gaps with non-traditional structures is detrimental to the overall aesthetic. "We lost the cello part for this obscure baroque concerto, so we'll just insert a saxophone"
this comparison with music is meaningless.

compare a concerto with one building: perhaps. But it's several street blocks we're talking here.
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Old January 24th, 2012, 05:33 PM   #2849
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this comparison with music is meaningless.

compare a concerto with one building: perhaps. But it's several street blocks we're talking here.
The block(s) are the concerto. The buildings are the instruments.

I've said this a dozen times, but I will say it again: it makes no good sense to go to the effort and expense of reconstructing the Neumarkt, only to randomly place a modernist/non-traditional structure in between the historical facades. It is aesthetically inappropriate, and with all the other construction going on around Dresden, there are plenty of avenues for the modernists to have their fun, too. Why diluting the overall project with parts that really don't fit, when they would be fine elsewhere?
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Old January 24th, 2012, 06:19 PM   #2850
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^ Totally agree to that. Modernists are like dogs, they have to take their dump everywhere.


I mean, imagine it the other way around: A city plans a huge, state of the art, glass & steel modern quarter.
Now some traditionalists jump in and say - hey, we want a baroque palace in between! Seriously, WTF?

It just doesn't work together, either way around. People should finally realize that.
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Old January 24th, 2012, 11:02 PM   #2851
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^ Totally agree to that. Modernists are like dogs, they have to take their dump everywhere.


I mean, imagine it the other way around: A city plans a huge, state of the art, glass & steel modern quarter.
Now some traditionalists jump in and say - hey, we want a baroque palace in between! Seriously, WTF?

It just doesn't work together, either way around. People should finally realize that.
Well said in both instances.
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Old January 26th, 2012, 07:12 AM   #2852
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^ Totally agree to that. Modernists are like dogs, they have to take their dump everywhere.


I mean, imagine it the other way around: A city plans a huge, state of the art, glass & steel modern quarter.
Now some traditionalists jump in and say - hey, we want a baroque palace in between! Seriously, WTF?

It just doesn't work together, either way around. People should finally realize that.
Exactly this happened in Frankfurt with the Turn and Taxis Palais. Not that I mind but just saying.
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Old January 26th, 2012, 01:09 PM   #2853
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The palace was there before though and they managed to salvage some of it after the war.
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Old January 26th, 2012, 01:45 PM   #2854
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Old January 26th, 2012, 09:02 PM   #2855
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I can't get over how ugly that thing on the corner is. Silly, silly mistake.
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Old January 26th, 2012, 10:02 PM   #2856
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ugly is something else. maybe it's unpretentious, or unremarkable, but not ugly.
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Old January 26th, 2012, 11:03 PM   #2857
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The corner building sticks out like a sore thumb, really...
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Old January 27th, 2012, 12:08 AM   #2858
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I love it... as quite all the new building, fit perfectly with the "older". I'm very exited for this mega-reconstruction
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Old January 27th, 2012, 03:37 AM   #2859
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ugly is something else. maybe it's unpretentious, or unremarkable, but not ugly.
It's ugly.
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Old January 27th, 2012, 03:57 AM   #2860
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I'm for a 100% reconstruction and I usually hate all the modernist facades...
BUT I wouldn't call that corner building ugly at all. I actually quite like it. I like how the colors (white, red, gold,green/grey) work together and those gold parts have (depending on the light) a beautiful shine.
And you guys have to agree, that the facade is actually not much simpler than the adjacent renaissance facades.
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