daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > World Forums > Architecture > European Classic Architecture and Landscapes

European Classic Architecture and Landscapes All related to historical buildings and landscapes of the old world.



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old July 16th, 2012, 07:38 AM   #3101
dbmillbank
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: San Francisco CA
Posts: 37
Likes (Received): 1

Can some one tell me what is happening to the Palais Grosser Garten? I know the lower level has been worked on, but what about the upper rooms with those fantastic ceiling murals? I know it is not in the scope of the neumarkt, but hopefully someone can direct me to some news or a website.

Is the economy effecting the reconstruction or has it stopped because of the economy? What is the difference between the Hotel de Saxe and the Palais Hoym? are they in different quarters and is the work on these buildings beginning anytime soon?
dbmillbank no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old July 16th, 2012, 07:45 AM   #3102
dbmillbank
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: San Francisco CA
Posts: 37
Likes (Received): 1

Sorry not the hotel de Saxe - the palais de Saxe. I see they are in different quarters. It looks like the front of the palace is jammed against those stalinist dorms. Is that what is delaying the reconstruction?
dbmillbank no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2012, 12:22 PM   #3103
Kampflamm
Endorsed by the NRA
 
Kampflamm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Occupied Europe
Posts: 23,654





Spa space in one of the new hotels (Swissotel):





New street:







Source: http://neumarkt-dresden.de/
__________________
Free German passport

"I think it's a privilege to call yourself a Wunderbarler and it's something that you have to earn."

Highcliff liked this post
Kampflamm está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2012, 12:40 PM   #3104
White Light
Shines in the dark...
 
White Light's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Belgrade
Posts: 1,326
Likes (Received): 942



So great!
__________________
"When all ends, behind us will remain only the monumental oddments of the vast civilization..."

Believe in architecture..........
White Light no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2012, 01:58 PM   #3105
aitante68
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 35
Likes (Received): 15

i like it very much....especially if you think that 10 years ago neumarkt was only an empty and depressing space....when do you think all thw works will finish and all the quarters rebuilt?
aitante68 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2012, 02:49 PM   #3106
sergionni
Registered User
 
sergionni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Belgrade
Posts: 1,690
Likes (Received): 443

Quote:
Originally Posted by aitante68 View Post
I agree, it's out of contest, I really don't like it
Quote:
Originally Posted by gdlrar View Post
i agree too. its horrible
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slartibartfas View Post
I disagree, I like it.
The courtyard should look better once the plants catch up in the courtyard.
People always seem to long for perfectness but reality is that the old town was not perfect either, these open courtyards existed also there. And they often looked much poorer than this design which is rather luxurious. Moreover, the Neumarkt urgently needs some more real residents, so that its not merely a tourist trap and hotel cluster but a real city quarter.
it is good idea, but it lacks quality details in terms of the contact between "old" and new part. the actual contact it to vulgar and not refined enough. simply lacks good taste and touch for classic/modern merging.you can not stick those 2 parts simply like that, it is not some suburb, it is the centre of the city....
__________________
proud to be SERB
sergionni no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2012, 04:27 PM   #3107
Leugom
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 33
Likes (Received): 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kampflamm View Post

Spa space in one of the new hotels (Swissotel):



It looks great, but I wouldn't be able to relax in that spa... knowing that all that people burned to death in those basements
Leugom no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 19th, 2012, 08:52 PM   #3108
Judge Roy Beam
Registered User
 
Judge Roy Beam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 184
Likes (Received): 53

So... when does this eyesore get removed?



And, what will be put in it's place?
Judge Roy Beam no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2012, 12:16 AM   #3109
White Light
Shines in the dark...
 
White Light's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Belgrade
Posts: 1,326
Likes (Received): 942

I am afraid that answer is

Never, and nothing else.

__________________
"When all ends, behind us will remain only the monumental oddments of the vast civilization..."

Believe in architecture..........
White Light no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2012, 01:10 AM   #3110
The Blond Guy
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 179
Likes (Received): 142

I'm a huge fan of rebuilding old buildings, demolishing modern buildings and build mordern buildings in traditional style.
But I'm against the demolishing of the kulture palast.

It should stay there as an architectural reminder of the communist era. Though I am glad they are replacing his Berlin brother ( palast der republiek) by the old stadtschloss.
The Blond Guy no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2012, 01:41 AM   #3111
william of waco
Registered User
 
william of waco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Hill Country
Posts: 231
Likes (Received): 258

Quote:
And, what will be put in it's place?
It would be a good opportunity to reestablish the pre-existing street pattern and build a residential section similar to Quarter VIII.

Quote:
I am afraid that answer is

Never, and nothing else.
It saddens me that the kulturpalast has been around long enough that people think it symbolic and worthy of preservation.

Quote:
It should stay there as an architectural reminder of the communist era.
If people need a reminder of Dresden's depressing post-war past then it should not be so close to the area that is the center of its revival. Besides, there are countless numbers of commie blocks immediately outside the Neumarkt for them to contemplate.
william of waco no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2012, 02:30 AM   #3112
Judge Roy Beam
Registered User
 
Judge Roy Beam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 184
Likes (Received): 53

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Blond Guy View Post
I'm a huge fan of rebuilding old buildings, demolishing modern buildings and build mordern buildings in traditional style.
But I'm against the demolishing of the kulture palast.

It should stay there as an architectural reminder of the communist era. Though I am glad they are replacing his Berlin brother ( palast der republiek) by the old stadtschloss.
Ninety five percent (or maybe more) of the former DDR provides an all too vivid reminder of the communist era.

The world would do just fine without that particular one.
Judge Roy Beam no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2012, 02:36 AM   #3113
Judge Roy Beam
Registered User
 
Judge Roy Beam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 184
Likes (Received): 53

Quote:
Originally Posted by william of waco View Post
It would be a good opportunity to reestablish the pre-existing street pattern and build a residential section similar to Quarter VIII.
Agreed.

Anybody have any prewar images of that area in general and what sat where the kulturpalast now stands in particular?
Judge Roy Beam no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2012, 03:35 AM   #3114
casb68
Registered User
 
casb68's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Paraisópolis-Mantiqueira
Posts: 385
Likes (Received): 139

Wonderful reconstruction.
casb68 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2012, 04:53 AM   #3115
william of waco
Registered User
 
william of waco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Hill Country
Posts: 231
Likes (Received): 258

Quote:
Originally Posted by Judge Roy Beam View Post
Anybody have any prewar images of that area in general and what sat where the kulturpalast now stands in particular?
If you look at an old map this area used to be four blocks of residential buildings and shops. The streets that crisscrossed it were the Frauenstrasse and the now non-existent Schössergasse. It was also bordered by the Schloss-Strasse and the Galerie-Strasse and extended south to the Altmarkt. I could find only a few related images but they give a pretty good idea of the beautiful buildings that once stood there.

This is a Victorian image of the Altmarkt. The area to the man's left is now occupied by the Kulturpalast.

Zeno.org

The Schloss-Strasse. All of the houses on the right are where the Kulturpalast now stands.

Zeno.org

Here you can see the area to the north-right of the Johanneum.

Zeno.org
__________________

Highcliff liked this post
william of waco no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2012, 06:07 AM   #3116
CF221
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Miami, Fl
Posts: 1,770
Likes (Received): 811

That kulturpalast is downright horrible-looking. TEAR IT DOWN!
__________________
Non nobis Domine, non nobis, sed nomini tuo da gloriam
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
CF221 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2012, 07:37 AM   #3117
Judge Roy Beam
Registered User
 
Judge Roy Beam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 184
Likes (Received): 53



Nice pictures William

No question about it now. That hideous postwar abomination really does need to become intimately acquainted with a wrecking ball... and the sooner the better.
Judge Roy Beam no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2012, 08:56 AM   #3118
Coihaique
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Bautzen
Posts: 64
Likes (Received): 11

Quote:
Originally Posted by Judge Roy Beam View Post
Ninety five percent (or maybe more) of the former DDR provides an all too vivid reminder of the communist era.
What a total nonsense! Ninety five percent Are you an old cold warrior or have you realy never been there? It is very interesting how some people always talk "smart" about things, they seem not even to know. That doesn't mean that the Kulturpalast have to be preserved, but if someone talks such a nonsense it is not easy to take him serious.
Coihaique no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2012, 11:39 AM   #3119
mhjo
mhji
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 152
Likes (Received): 90

Quote:
Originally Posted by CF221 View Post
That kulturpalast is downright horrible-looking. TEAR IT DOWN!
mhjo no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2012, 03:12 PM   #3120
TheReconstructer
Registered User
 
TheReconstructer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hoorn
Posts: 528
Likes (Received): 176

Quote:
Originally Posted by Judge Roy Beam View Post


That hideous postwar abomination really does need to become intimately acquainted with a wrecking ball... and the sooner the better.
Well, if they tear it down, what will be in the place? Reconstructions, semi-Reconstructions or modernist buildings? First two options are my choices IF they are ever going to demolish the Kulturpalast. But you never know what the future may bring...
TheReconstructer no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
classic architecture, classic europe, construction updates, dresden, reconstruction, redevelopment, rekonstrucje, rekonstruktion, sachsen

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 07:23 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu