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Old November 25th, 2012, 12:37 PM   #3381
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Because Dresden is making an effort to restore it's former beauty.
former beauty is not only what existed till 1941, and the world didnt die in that year, so there is also beauty developed after 1945, that also belongs to the history and you can not ignore its presence. if u asked me dresden tryed to restore its beauty and it is partly succeding in doing. so, to you capital of brasil is one hell ugly city?
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Old November 25th, 2012, 12:45 PM   #3382
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Old November 25th, 2012, 09:58 PM   #3383
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Hard to imagine, but we had to fight against this barbarism like lions. I myself was strolling around Neumarkt, handing out flyers against the Gewandhaus. I joined several commission sessions with some FDP folks to prevent this crap. Luckily we succeeded.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 01:15 AM   #3384
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great most of the ones that i know love it, and they live in it.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 04:44 AM   #3385
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former beauty is not only what existed till 1941, and the world didnt die in that year, so there is also beauty developed after 1945, that also belongs to the history and you can not ignore its presence.
Puh-lease.

It's pretty much a given that by and large, the staggering banality of postwar German architecture is surpassed only by it's sometimes over-the-top ugliness.


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so, to you capital of brasil is one hell ugly city?
Apples and oranges.

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Old November 26th, 2012, 10:01 AM   #3386
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Puh-lease.

It's pretty much a given that by and large, the staggering banality of postwar German architecture is surpassed only by it's sometimes over-the-top ugliness.




Apples and oranges.

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excuse me, why such frustration? i am architect that works with similar problems and similar kind or reconstructions/restorations and i understand the need of regaining the historical centre, but why no chance that someone thinks in some different way than you do on some issues? anyhow, if such opinion about kulturpalast exist why this building was not destroyed by now? you should think twice
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Old November 26th, 2012, 10:30 AM   #3387
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The Kulturpalast wasn't demolished because most governing Dresden politicans are some utter nutcases.

The Gestaltungskommission (a commitee controlling the designs of the Neumarkt buildings) even prevented some reconstructions or decided for really bad modernist designs instead of good and creative ones. Should tell you much about the issues of the city and this area.

The Neumarkt actually is a wonder, given the circumstances.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 07:12 PM   #3388
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The Kulturpalast wasn't demolished because most governing Dresden politicans are some utter nutcases.

The Gestaltungskommission (a commitee controlling the designs of the Neumarkt buildings) even prevented some reconstructions or decided for really bad modernist designs instead of good and creative ones. Should tell you much about the issues of the city and this area.

The Neumarkt actually is a wonder, given the circumstances.
Could you perhaps show a few of these reconstruction/modernist designs if they're available on the internet?

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Old November 27th, 2012, 11:13 AM   #3389
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Frankly I don't have the time for such research, but you may find examples in earlier pages.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 08:30 PM   #3391
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Could you perhaps show a few of these reconstruction/modernist designs if they're available on the internet?

He's referring to canine droppings such as these...









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Old November 28th, 2012, 12:06 AM   #3392
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Actually, I like the Löwenhof. I even like the distorted ugly small "in-between" building as well. It is a strong reference to what was there before in "good-old" Dresden which was small, poor and "in-between" as well.

The first three pictures are examples of bland modern architecture, well the first building is quite ok, but its ground floor cladding is crap.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 12:44 AM   #3393
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It seems I cried too early. The "Baroquified" Kulturpalast plan is gone, and the tranformation is now actually going to be quite tasteful:

[IMG]http://i49.************/350qz5z.jpg[/IMG]
Looks like a small crappy suburban mall and office building.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 07:39 PM   #3394
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What is the Kulturpalast used for nowadays? Anyway I just had a look at it on Google Earth and its physical situation and style ruins the surrounding area. I think that tearing it down and rebuilding what was there before should be done straightaway. Surely Germany has enough examples of this kind of post-war architecture that it would not be any loss whatsoever.

I will also say that it would at first seem difficult to make a building of this style like this look any worse, but that thing that the architect plonked on its roof manages just that.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 09:35 PM   #3395
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At the moment the Kulturpalast is empty. Until now they threw out the furniture and thats it. The financing has not been cleared yet by the city council. So it could stay a long time at this unused status.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 09:56 PM   #3396
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The Gestaltungskommission (a commitee controlling the designs of the Neumarkt buildings) even prevented some reconstructions or decided for really bad modernist designs instead of good and creative ones.
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The first three pictures are examples of bland modern architecture, well the first building is quite ok, but its ground floor cladding is crap.
The term "modernist architecture" is misused in this thread for just bad architecture. Most of those buildings posted have as much to do with modernism as they have to do with Baroque.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 01:51 AM   #3397
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Modern, or current, architecture would be a better term. Modernist architecture, or style, has created some of the world's most beautiful structures.
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An important, basic concept in urban planning is how the overall plan/look integrates with each piece. Whether the overall plan is to recreate baroque appearances from former times or build contemporary glass and steel unornamented structures, they must fit harmoniously with the surrounding structures. The Kulturpalast in its original form probably worked when it was surrounded generally by rubble and a vision of a more contemporary-looking Neumarkt in Dresden. However, time has passed the Kulturpalast by. No matter how anyone attempts to remake the building, it will end up like lipstick on a pig in the enviromment it now sits.

The original architect's lawsuit was a pitiful exercise in ego and utter self-pride that unfortunately works out well in most western nations' courts. He got paid, he got his building when it was commissioned...and that was over years ago. That he was able to claim eternal ownership over something he sold is nonsense.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 02:20 AM   #3399
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former beauty is not only what existed till 1941, and the world didnt die in that year, so there is also beauty developed after 1945, that also belongs to the history and you can not ignore its presence. if u asked me dresden tryed to restore its beauty and it is partly succeding in doing. so, to you capital of brasil is one hell ugly city?
Your point is well taken, in part. The problem however is that we are dealing with post war construction that was not, in general, created with artistic design concepts in mind. Rather, the goals were speed and efficiencey. Those goals produce shelters from the elements, not prized architectural landmarks.

I think it's smart and worthwhile to admit mistakes and if affordable, correct them. The Kulturpalast is not a building that people gaze at in awe for its beauty and harmony with its surroundings. It performed a function, but not an artistic and integrated visual appeal. Too bad it will remain. The fixes being offered are in no way approaching a point of making it work for the area.
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He's referring to canine droppings such as these...
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Generally agree, however, these "modernized-baroque" designs are at least in keeping with the size, dimensions, and general proportion/theme of the originals and area. I would think it a huge win if we had such buildings replace the Kulturpalast.

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