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Old June 6th, 2013, 11:05 PM   #3681
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Old June 6th, 2013, 11:57 PM   #3682
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The Zwinger,the Semperoper and the Dresden Frauenkirche were seriously damanged.Water level in the basement of Semper Opera is about 2.5 m.Many years of reconstruction and now...it's sadly
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Old June 7th, 2013, 12:19 AM   #3683
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The Zwinger,the Semperoper and the Dresden Frauenkirche were seriously damanged.Water level in the basement of Semper Opera is about 2.5 m.Many years of reconstruction and now...it's sadly
Honestly, I'm not worried. They're all high profile buildings and any damage done will be dealt with. Yes, it'll probably chip off the total reconstruction budget, but that's all. I'm more worried about all the older residential buildings (e.g. timber framed houses) that were damaged by the floods all over Europe in towns where people probably don't have the same budget for reconstructions as the people of Dresden.
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Old June 7th, 2013, 01:19 AM   #3684
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I hope I don't look like a smart ass, but what are Dresden's flood prevention systems? And if they have not already done so, would it make sense to invest into a mobile flood prevention system?
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Old June 7th, 2013, 02:34 AM   #3685
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The second 100-year flood for Dresden in just 11 years.
I hope the affected people and cities will recover well from the floods and, that in future, better prevention methods will be in place.
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They're dealing with nature and the desire to maintain the historic architectural values...that don't necessarily coordinate. If adequate, modern flood control were to be pul in place, we'd lose some of the wonderful historic aspects we are trying to preserve.

blame it on Al Gore.
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Old June 7th, 2013, 11:00 AM   #3687
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The Altstadt with Frauenkirche, Semperoper, Hofkirche, Schloss etc. won't be flooded this time.

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Just goes to show that Climate Change might not be an evil hoax, plotted by liberals to destroy capitalism, after all.
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Old June 8th, 2013, 11:53 PM   #3689
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Overview of the Pre-war historic core in Dresden:


http://www.stadtbild-deutschland.org...0-3155aace.jpg
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Saxony is a relatively flat region, and the Elbe a slow moving river. The consequence is is is susceptible to flooding.

In Canada, the city of Winnipeg has the Red River running through it. In the 60s they created a Floodway to divert water around the city in the event of a flood. This was heavily criticized as a waste when it was first created, but has saved billions of dollars in flooding damage to the city.

With Dresden's historical significance, I'm surprised they haven't considered a similar project. I suspect Saxony doesnt have the same abundance of empty land surrounding the city:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_River_Floodway

Would be nice to have something in place to protect such a special place.
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Old June 11th, 2013, 07:26 PM   #3691
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Overview of the Pre-war historic core in Dresden:


http://www.stadtbild-deutschland.org...0-3155aace.jpg
What's interesting about this great photo is how the inner city of Dresden had mostly straight streets and avenues. The curvy and winding streets we see commonly in old baroque and medieval cities and towns appears not to have been the way Dresden planners did their work.
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Old June 12th, 2013, 06:57 AM   #3692
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Does anyone know of any color film or photographs of pre-war Dresden?
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Saxony is a relatively flat region, and the Elbe a slow moving river. The consequence is is is susceptible to flooding.

In Canada, the city of Winnipeg has the Red River running through it. In the 60s they created a Floodway to divert water around the city in the event of a flood. This was heavily criticized as a waste when it was first created, but has saved billions of dollars in flooding damage to the city.

With Dresden's historical significance, I'm surprised they haven't considered a similar project.
Such a proposal is not even remotely feasible. Saxony is far from being flat. Dresden itself is squeezed into a valley cut into the hills by the river itself. There is exactly no other way possible for river Elbe than to flow right through the city.

The only possible way to protect the city from floods is to control the water discharge by holding back water further up the river.
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Does anyone know of any color film or photographs of pre-war Dresden?
Some Photographys
http://www.panoramio.com/user/157495...Dresden%201940

color film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DboQnil5cVg
"demonstration" 1937
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixPGwo3Aulw

there are many black and white movies
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... mixed with pictures from the "real" Florence, Italy
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WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

I can't figure this out in English, much less my decayed Kinderdeutsch.

Here it is in the original language:

"Begründung:
Planungsrechtliche Situation
Der Ausschuss für Stadtentwicklung und Bau hat am 4. Januar 2012 nach § 2 Abs. 1 BauGB
mit Beschluss-Nr. A0451/11 die Aufstellung eines Bebauungsplanes beschlossen.
Grundlage für den Bebauungsplan bildet das 1996 und 2002 jeweils vom Stadtrat beschlossene
städtebaulich-gestalterische Konzept zum Wiederaufbau des Neumarktes (Beschlüsse
Nr. 1615-41-96 und V 1272-38-2002). Das städtebaulich-gestalterische Konzept beinhaltet
die bereits 1995 erarbeiteten Grundsätze für eine kleinteilige Baustruktur auf der Grundlage
der historischen Straßen- und Raumfolge.
Die bisherige Gebietsentwicklung wurde auf der Grundlage mehrerer Bebauungspläne/
vorhabenbezogener Bebauungspläne bzw. Baugenehmigungen nach § 34 BauGB für
einzelne Quartiere bzw. Teilquartiere durchgeführt.
Der geplante Bebauungsplan soll auf den grundsätzlichen funktionalen und stadträumlichen
Zielvorstellungen für die Entwicklung des Neumarktgebietes basieren, die im städtebaulichgestalterischen
Konzept dokumentiert sind.
Das Plangebiet befindet sich innerhalb des förmlich festgelegten Sanierungsgebietes S 10,
Dresden-Neumarkt (rechtskräftig seit 22. November 2002), für das das zentrale Sanierungsziel
die Entwicklung und Förderung des Neumarktgebietes zu einem attraktiven und lebendigen
Teil des Dresdner Stadtzentrums unter Beachtung städtebaulicher, stadtgestalterischer,
wirtschaftlicher und sonstiger funktionaler Aspekte ist.
Der erweiterte Geltungsbereich des Bebauungsplanes Nr. 388 erfasst den rechtskräftigen
Bebauungsplan Nr. 331b (Wilsdruffer Straße 4 – 10) und den rechtskräftigen Vorhabenbezogene
Bebauungsplan Nr. 660 (Heinrich-Schütz-Residenz und das Bestandsgebäude Wilsdruffer
Straße 14 – 16). Der Vorhabenbezogene Bebauungsplan Nr. 660 unterlag im Jahr
2012 einer Normenkontrolle, in deren Ergebnis die Festsetzung zum Durchstecken der
Schuhmachergasse und der Arkaden für unwirksam erklärt wurden. Bis zum In-Kraft-Treten
des Bebauungsplan Nr. 388 bleiben die bezeichneten Bebauungspläne vollumfänglich Beurteilungsgrundlage
für Bauanträge.
Änderung des Geltungsbereiches
Mit der Erweiterung des Geltungsbereiches sollen der südliche Bereich des Neumarktquartiers,
hier die unbebaute Teilfläche des Quartiers V und der Standort des Hotel Stadt Rom
stärker im Zusammenhang mit der Bestandsbebauung aus Heinrich-Schütz-Residenz und Bebauung Wilsdruffer Straße betrachtet werden.
Nach der Erweiterung des Geltungsbereiches stimmt die Bezeichnung des Bebauungsplanes
mit der Angabe „Quartier V/I“ nicht mehr mit der räumlichen Begrenzung überein. Einhergehend
mit der Erweiterung des Geltungsbereiches wird deswegen die Bezeichnung des
Bebauungsplanes in „Bebauungsplan Nr. 388 Dresden Altstadt I, Nr. 42 Neumarkt Quartier
IV-V“ geändert.
Örtliche Situation
Nach der Erweiterung des Geltungsbereiches umfasst das Plangebiet ca. 1,17 ha. Es ist
geprägt durch die unbebaute Grundstücksfläche des Quartiers V.1, die nach den Maßgaben
des städtebaulich-gestalterischen Konzeptes errichtete Heinrich-Schütz-Residenz, die im
Privateigentum befindlichen Wohn- und Geschäftshäuser Wilsdruffer Straße 4 – 10 und
14 – 16 sowie den mit Säuleneichen markierten Standort des Hotel Stadt Rom (dem Kopfbau
eines sich ehemals in südlicher Richtung erstreckenden Quartiers).
Der Geltungsbereich ist umgeben von dem östlich gelegenen Landhaus, der Wilsdruffer
Straße, dem westlich gelegenen Kulturpalast, dem nördlich angrenzenden, noch unbebauten
Quartier VI (Bebauungsplan-Entwurf Nr. 340), Teilflächen des Neumarktes sowie dem Quartier
IV (Steigenberger Hotel, British Hotel und Bebauungsplan Nr. 331 A, In Kraft getreten am
26. März 2009)."
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And in English, via Google Translate:

"Reason:
Legal planning situation
The Committee on Urban Development and Construction on 4 January 2012 according to § 2 para 1 Building Code
with decision no. A0451/11 the preparation of a development plan approved.
1996 and 2002 constitutes the basis for the development plan adopted by the City Council in each
urban-design concept for the reconstruction of the Neumarkt (decisions
No. 1615-41-96 and V 1272-38-2002). The urban-design concept includes
the principles developed in 1995 for a small-scale building structure on the basis
the historic streets and spatial sequence.
The existing area development was based on several development plans /
project-related land-use plans and building permits pursuant to § 34 of Building Code
individual districts or sub-districts performed.
The proposed development plan is the basic functional and urban spatial
Targets for the development of the Neumarkt area are based in the urban design
Concept are documented.
The plan area is located within the formally designated redevelopment area S 10,
Dresden Neumarkt (legally since 22 November 2002), for which the central goal of rehabilitation
the development and promotion of the Neumarkt area into an attractive and vibrant
Part of Dresden city center with respect to urban planning, urban design,
economic and other functional aspects is.
The expanded scope of the development plan No. 388 records the final
Development Plan No. 331b (Wilsdruffer Street 4 - 10) and the final project-related
Development Plan No. 660 (Heinrich Schütz residence and the existing building Wilsdruffer
Street 14 - 16). The Project-related Development Plan No. 660 lost in
2012 a judicial review, in which result the setting for the passage of
Shoemakers alley and the arcades were declared invalid. Until the entry into force of
the Development Plan No. 388 remain the designated zoning full assessment basis
for building applications.
Change the scope of
With the extension of the scope to the southern area of ​​the Neumarkt district,
Here the undeveloped part of the neighborhood V and the surface location of the Hotel Rome
Wilsdruffer road be considered more strongly associated with the existing buildings from Heinrich Schütz undBebauung residence.
After the enlargement of the scope determines the name of the development plan
with the words "Quartier V / I" no longer consistent with the limited space. Along
with the extension of the scope is therefore the name of the
Development plan in the "Development Plan No. 388 Dresden Altstadt I, No. 42 Neumarkt district
IV-V "changed.
Local situation
After the enlargement of the scope of the plan area covers approximately 1.17 ha is
influenced by the undeveloped area of ​​the district V.1, according to the stipulations
the urban-design concept built Heinrich Schütz residence, in
Private property located residential and commercial buildings Wilsdruffer Street 4 - 10 and
14 - 16 and the column labeled oaks location of the Hotel Rome (the front building
is a former extending south district).
The scope is surrounded by the eastern country, Wilsdruffer
Street, the westerly Palace of Culture, the north adjacent undeveloped
District VI (Zoning Draft No. 340) faces of the Neumarkt and the district
IV (Steigenberger Hotel, British Hotel and Development Plan No. 331 A, Entry into force:
26th March 2009)."
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Old June 13th, 2013, 09:54 AM   #3699
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I visited the Verkehrsmuseum in Dresden and viewed some excellent, very high quality films about the history of the city. They were all in black and white - at least the ones that I saw - and I am curious as to how Dresden would have looked in color.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 11:05 AM   #3700
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it seems to me that most work in reconstruction of Dresden was done in DDR with poorly economy - Zwinger, Semperoper, Hofkirche, Albertinum and many more... more than 90% of reconstructions?
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