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Old June 14th, 2013, 09:16 PM   #3721
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Those cities didn't have huge bombed out buildings (like the castle) in their city centers in the late 80s.


You are right, capitalist simply remove all and today we have 99% modern Hamburg, Koln, Frankfurt...

This was great potencial for reconstruction after 1945, but today not anymore.

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Old June 15th, 2013, 02:40 AM   #3722
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Seriously dude, stop spamming. This thread is about the reconstruction of Dresden's Neumarkt.
If you want to talk about the architectural marvels of Communism feel free to post in one of the Pyongyang threads, but not here.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 10:01 AM   #3723
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Seriously dude, stop spamming. This thread is about the reconstruction of Dresden's Neumarkt.
If you want to talk about the architectural marvels of Communism feel free to post in one of the Pyongyang threads, but not here.
I dont spam, I only say that it seems to me that most work in reconstruction of Dresden was done in DDR, like in Poland, Bohemia...
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Old June 15th, 2013, 12:27 PM   #3724
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You actually have no clue dude, sorry. Dresden and Berlin virtually were the only cities where major reconstructions were executed - while many buildings were even blown up that could have been reconstructed easily or weren't even hit badly (City Palace Berlin, Sophienkirche Dresden, Ulrichskirche Magdeburg, Augusteum & Paulinum Leipzig etc.).

In addition, most East German old towns were left in decay by the GDR government for decades.

West German cities at least made efforts to reconstruct their major churches, castles etc. and restore their old towns.
Especially Bavarian cities reconstructed a lot. Even a place like Münster in Northrhine-Westphalia.

East German cities only turned beautiful thanks to their annexation to West Germany and its capitalist power. But there are other threads to talk about this kind of stuff.


Now let's get back to the Neumarkt topic.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 01:08 PM   #3725
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Reconstruction in Freiburg, south west Germany.
Oldest city hall.
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Renaissance city hall.
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Rokoko palais of Deutsch-Ordens Kommende reconstructed in the eighties.
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Classicistic Palais Sickingen
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Baroque palais of the arch bishop
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Medieval grain house
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And there are a lot of more buildings in the city.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 01:13 PM   #3726
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Nice, but Freiburg is obviously not Dresden
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Old June 15th, 2013, 01:14 PM   #3727
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Reconstruction in Breisach, a small city at the Rhine river.
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So please stop talking about things, you have no idea about. There was a lot of reconstruction in West-Germany, and there was much more preserving of our cultural heritage than under the communist tyranny.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 01:15 PM   #3728
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Nice, but Freiburg is obiously not Dresden
I know.

I only wanted to show skyscraperus that he tells bullshit.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 03:35 PM   #3729
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...and 90% of that 90% is crappy, utilitarian and characterless "structures" that have little or no architectural, historical, or emotional value at all.
Each of these building have still more architectural, historical and emotional value than all suburban dwellings on your shores.

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Those cities didn't have huge bombed out buildings (like the castle) in their city centers in the late 80s.
Neither had any city or town in the GDR. The Frauenkirche in Dresden was the only exception as far as I remember.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 03:54 PM   #3730
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What about the castle next door?! Towns throughout the GDR still had plenty of buildings riddled with bulletholes in the late 1980s ffs.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 04:00 PM   #3731
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^ Yes indeed.


Anyway, stop it already, I'm so tired of such OT craptalks coming up on any page of this thread...
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Old June 16th, 2013, 02:11 AM   #3732
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Each of these building have still more architectural, historical and emotional value than all suburban dwellings on your shores.

Neither had any city or town in the GDR. The Frauenkirche in Dresden was the only exception as far as I remember.
Well that's blatantly not true.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 06:10 PM   #3733
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Reconstruction of the gothic ceiling in the Dresden royal palace


http://www.sib.sachsen.de/typo3temp/GB/04f25e3eee.jpg


http://www.sib.sachsen.de/typo3temp/GB/7f3e9a94f2.jpg
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Old June 17th, 2013, 01:54 AM   #3734
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Wow freaking amazing.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 02:53 AM   #3735
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Talking about the Schloss, has the new Riesensaal already been shown here?
It now houses the Rüstkammer (Armory). which was formerly shown in a parts of the Semperbau but there was not enough place. It is "one of the world's largest collections of ceremonial weapons, armors and historical textiles." (Wiki)
The "Türckische Cammer" is also part of the armory but shown in seperate rooms.

Some pictures and a video (german)

http://www.skd.museum/?id=731
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Well that's blatantly not true.
Any proof?
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In Dresden?
Taschenbergpalais 1990

http://dresden.stadtwiki.de/wiki/Dat...alais_1990.jpg

Residenzschloss right next to it 1980

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...jpg?uselang=de

Kurländerpalais seen from the Frauenkirche before reconstruction started 2006

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...JPG?uselang=de

Not to forget what has been torn down.
The complete Neu- and Altmarkt area
10 Churches were blown up after 1945
They can be seen here in its orignial appearance and after the bombing
http://www.kirchensprengung.de/cms/k...g_dresden.html

Erfurt (which did not even suffered heavy bombings) 1989 and refurbishment works after reunification.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4zVt8VPgHg (in german)

Leipzig 1989
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Halberstadt 1985

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...Zeit,_1985.jpg

And many more. Nearly every City with significant stock of old buildings was ruinous after 1989. Entire Old town quarters vere replaced by Plattenbauten.
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Old June 18th, 2013, 04:51 AM   #3738
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The transformation of Dresden in the last two decades is really a miracle.
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Lets agree that Germany in general did a poor job preserving the past, something both sides wanted to put behind them. Its refreshing to see some of these historical gems return. They were an unfortunate casualty of the politics from 1930-1990.

It will take time, but Dresden is slowly returning to the jewel on the elbe!

ps- Its so amazing how all the photos from East Germany look so Gray and bleak.
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Lets agree that Germany in general did a poor job preserving the past, something both sides wanted to put behind them. Its refreshing to see some of these historical gems return. They were an unfortunate casualty of the politics from 1930-1990.

It will take time, but Dresden is slowly returning to the jewel on the elbe!

ps- Its so amazing how all the photos from East Germany look so Gray and bleak.
Weather. Typical in Central Europe
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