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Old October 13th, 2007, 02:50 AM   #381
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Thanks Kampfy.
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Old October 14th, 2007, 12:45 AM   #382
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Progress with rejoicings and embraces

Btw, let me show you some progress from the Neumarkt:


The roofs at Quartier3 forge ahead




Good progress at the Schütz-residence. They're building glamorous brick walls for a more pleasant epiphany. Niice!


The "Köhlersche Haus" heading to the Schumachergasse
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Old October 14th, 2007, 02:01 PM   #383
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Btw, let me show you some progress from the Neumarkt:


The roofs at Quartier3 forge ahead




Good progress at the Schütz-residence. They're building glamorous brick walls for a more pleasant epiphany. Niice!


The "Köhlersche Haus" heading to the Schumachergasse
Heinrich Schuetz, a Saxon composer some consider the equal of of JS Bach, deserves no less!
Thank you for the pix! You and Kampflamm never fail to brighten my spirits with your exquisite photography.

PS: You mention supporting the rebuilding of the Berlin Schloss in your sig file. Kampflamm in an earlier post suggested that the Schloss was still facing opposition from certain quarters, particularly those who miss the glorious DDR era. Is the reconstruction of the Schloss definite, or is there a chance the plans could be thwarted? Dios mio, I hope building proceeds apace! Berlin will not be complete without it.
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Old October 15th, 2007, 03:46 PM   #384
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Right now there is a design process going on in Berlin. The problem is that the jury for the competition is filled with modernists such as Chipperfield, who's already raping the Neue Museum in Berlin. There's also some doubt as to how many rooms will be reconstructed according to the original designs. Seems like the longer the process is drawn out, the worse the proposals get. If we're lucky, we'll get a nice facade in Berlin, but that might be it.
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Old October 15th, 2007, 03:49 PM   #385
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Some nice shots to compare the situation before WW2 and now:



As you can see, the people in charge decided to just extend (in essence double) the facade of the white building (it'll also be behind the Turkey billboard). Questionable decision IMO. At the same time you can see that even the modern buildings look quite alright compared to the old, bland ones that used to be there:





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Old October 15th, 2007, 04:09 PM   #386
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I like it now better than before WW2. The houses looked liked ruins even without destruction.
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Right now there is a design process going on in Berlin. The problem is that the jury for the competition is filled with modernists such as Chipperfield, who's already raping the Neue Museum in Berlin. There's also some doubt as to how many rooms will be reconstructed according to the original designs. Seems like the longer the process is drawn out, the worse the proposals get. If we're lucky, we'll get a nice facade in Berlin, but that might be it.
I think most modernists fail to understand that the "stylish" and "modern" designs they put forth will be hidiouse within their lifetime, after the trend dies out. While the Dresden Neumarkt will be timeless forever. I hope people evuantally get over this whole "must be modern!" thing, because in the end it is the classical architecture that people still are in aww at, and still want to look at. Berlins downtown should be reconstructed the way it was, Berlin is too old of a city to be a modernist city. I hope people there evuantally wish to reconstruct their old city, like the people of Dresden wish to.
People will come from all over the world to see Dresden's gloriouse old city Nuemarkt, but Berlin?
Berlin dissapoints me with its development, you rarely get a slightly classical facade there.
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Old October 15th, 2007, 11:04 PM   #388
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Yup, Berlin stinks. Perfect example...main building of the Technical University:

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IMO they should have reconstructed all of it. The fact that you can see its old beauty makes the new main building look even more ugly.
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I think most modernists fail to understand that the "stylish" and "modern" designs they put forth will be hidiouse within their lifetime, after the trend dies out. While the Dresden Neumarkt will be timeless forever. I hope people evuantally get over this whole "must be modern!" thing, because in the end it is the classical architecture that people still are in aww at, and still want to look at. Berlins downtown should be reconstructed the way it was, Berlin is too old of a city to be a modernist city. I hope people there evuantally wish to reconstruct their old city, like the people of Dresden wish to.
People will come from all over the world to see Dresden's gloriouse old city Nuemarkt, but Berlin?
Berlin dissapoints me with its development, you rarely get a slightly classical facade there.
I think the problem is that you'd have to tear down lots of buildings to re-create "Old Berlin" (while there was nothing left on the Neumarkt). Some major mistakes were made in the 90s with Potsdamer Platz. Before the war it was a beautiful area, now it's just a bland mix of new buildings which could be located anywhere else in the world as well. I guess people like me who love old architecture will just have to live with that. Although it's sometimes really hard to look at pics of German cities before the war. If it wasn't for WW2, Germany could still be one of the if not the most beautiful country in Europe architecture-wise...now it's quite possibly the ugliest.
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I like it now better than before WW2. The houses looked liked ruins even without destruction.
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I think the problem is that you'd have to tear down lots of buildings to re-create "Old Berlin" (while there was nothing left on the Neumarkt). Some major mistakes were made in the 90s with Potsdamer Platz. Before the war it was a beautiful area, now it's just a bland mix of new buildings which could be located anywhere else in the world as well. I guess people like me who love old architecture will just have to live with that. Although it's sometimes really hard to look at pics of German cities before the war. If it wasn't for WW2, Germany could still be one of the if not the most beautiful country in Europe architecture-wise...now it's quite possibly the ugliest.
I am betting this trend will die down, since anything less than the top 1% of modern architecture bores. Most of modern architecture is about experimentation, where 99% turn out as failed experiments (even Wright and Foster had to experiment before they created spectacular successes).

Most of the "failed experiments" will get replaced by better ones in time. In other words, we evolve.

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I think the problem is that you'd have to tear down lots of buildings to re-create "Old Berlin" (while there was nothing left on the Neumarkt). Some major mistakes were made in the 90s with Potsdamer Platz. Before the war it was a beautiful area, now it's just a bland mix of new buildings which could be located anywhere else in the world as well. I guess people like me who love old architecture will just have to live with that. Although it's sometimes really hard to look at pics of German cities before the war. If it wasn't for WW2, Germany could still be one of the if not the most beautiful country in Europe architecture-wise...now it's quite possibly the ugliest.
True, it would take some major demolition to reconstruct old berlin.
But structures could be remodeled or have classical facades of perviouse structures put on them. I think Germany can become once again a beautiful country in Europe, it just has to take the steps, like Dresden is. Dresden is one of my favorite cities, the classical architecture is just beautiful.
I think that if Berlin started by re-constructing its landmarks, that would encourage it to have more classical architecture, I just never understood peoples' fascination with glass boxes and commieblocks. A building should tell a story, not make you want to throw up.
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Old October 18th, 2007, 08:29 PM   #393
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Heinrich-Schütz Residenz (Quartier V/2):

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Quartier V/2





Quartier III





One of the old/new little alleys...Salzgasse:



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Some additional photos of the Quartier III at Dresdens Neumarkt

The roofscape during the last days












From the Neumarkt square






From the observation point of the Frauenkirche




Comparison:

Today


The good old days


Near the Polizeipräsidium


Rampische Straße


They really put a lot of effort into the protection of the historical basement


Kurländer Palais



Sadly it's a bit annoying that they're building flat roofs on some of the reconstructions at QuartierIII, but ultimately it's fantastic to see how Dresden is developing that area and presses ahead with at least some really outstanding reconstructions Several European cities (particularly German ones) should follow that suit, it really is a great way to reshape many oppressed cities!
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Some additional photos of the Quartier III at Dresdens Neumarkt


Sadly it's a bit annoying that they're building flat roofs on some of the reconstructions at QuartierIII, but ultimately it's fantastic to see how Dresden is developing that area and presses ahead with at least some really outstanding reconstructions Several European cities (particularly German ones) should follow that suit, it really is a great way to reshape many oppressed cities!
I think the whole world could learn from Dresden. Here, we lost many historical landmarks to bad planning and arson, yet we never even salvaged the facades. I wish we would reconstruct our historic landmarks. I would love for Berlin to do the same thing, modernism isnt timeless like Dresden will be.
I also love the fact that Dresden isnt just going skin deep, they are doing everything the way it was, from the basement, to the interiors! You can construct old style buildings without them looking fake!
How is Dresden able to afford such expensive materials and craftsmanship?
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the facade behind the r-class advertisement really sux...

How can they build the biggest facade heading towards the neumarkt-square in this pseudo modern ugly style????

And the shity glass thing left of it is also not better...they should seriously consider changing that facade before its too late.
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the facade behind the r-class advertisement really sux...

How can they build the biggest facade heading towards the neumarkt-square in this pseudo modern ugly style????

And the shity glass thing left of it is also not better...they should seriously consider changing that facade before its too late.
Eh it will probably be changed later into a more classical facade. Atleast the whole thing isn't a nasty glass box called 'art'. Modernism doesn't stand a chance in this part of Dresden.
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Agreed, modernism sucks, especially at such a place. Dresden nearly passes up a golden opportunity with such things.

Whatever, I'd like to show you some recent progress from the Neumarkt



Schütz-Residenz




Quartier III


The outlawed big modern gizmo... Seems that they changed the size of the dormers, if you look at the original plans. A bit into the positive direction imo.


The baroque atmosphere is back at the Neumarkt - well, a bit leastwise
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