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Old November 7th, 2007, 09:26 PM   #401
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The last photo looks like it the bombings never happened.
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Old November 7th, 2007, 10:21 PM   #402
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Yep, those buildings are by far the best examples of reconstructions that can be found on the Neumarkt, especially because they didn't decide to go for flat roofs unlike the investors who rebuilt the Hotel de Saxe and the Salomonis-Apotheke.
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Awesome updates.

Dresden will be the Munich of east Germany.
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Old November 8th, 2007, 04:09 PM   #404
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Good news for reconstruction fans...the German Bundestag has backed the funding of the Stadtschloss in Berlin. If all goes well, construction should start in 2010.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 02:16 AM   #405
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Good news for reconstruction fans...the German Bundestag has backed the funding of the Stadtschloss in Berlin. If all goes well, construction should start in 2010.
Hopefully this encourages more reconstructions!
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Old November 11th, 2007, 05:55 PM   #406
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Although it's sometimes really hard to look at pics of German cities before the war. If it wasn't for WW2, Germany could still be one of the if not the most beautiful country in Europe architecture-wise...now it's quite possibly the ugliest.

Yeah, many re-constructions were done in a fast, shoddy way... but Germany being the ugliest country in Europe architecture-wise? I would give that award to those parts of Europe that were least urbanized pre-WW2 and where urbanization happened in a short matter of time in the 1960-70´s (Scandinavia, Balkans etc). In Sweden they tore down almost everything that was in their then-small towns and cities except landmarks like churches and castles, replacing it with the same 60´s-concrete as in rest of Europe. The oldest building in a typical Scandinavian town is often something like a railway station or the church. Nothing survived from the mediaevel ages because of fires etc, hence everything you see is not older than 100-150 years and look like "model houses" that could´ve come from an IKEA-catalogue. It is a big difference if the local construction methods in a place used to be lumber or stones/bricks, wooden towns burnt down, rottened quickly or were replaced with concrete and stone-facades once big-scale urbanization took place. Regions rich enough to afford stones or had to use bricks usually have older buildings that have survived to this day.

Though they may have many ugly towns and cities, the nature is still great in Scandinavia.
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Yeah, many re-constructions were done in a fast, shoddy way... but Germany being the ugliest country in Europe architecture-wise? I would give that award to those parts of Europe that were least urbanized pre-WW2 and where urbanization happened in a short matter of time in the 1960-70´s (Scandinavia, Balkans etc). In Sweden they tore down almost everything that was in their then-small towns and cities except landmarks like churches and castles, replacing it with the same 60´s-concrete as in rest of Europe. The oldest building in a typical Scandinavian town is often something like a railway station or the church. Nothing survived from the mediaevel ages because of fires etc, hence everything you see is not older than 100-150 years and look like "model houses" that could´ve come from an IKEA-catalogue. It is a big difference if the local construction methods in a place used to be lumber or stones/bricks, wooden towns burnt down, rottened quickly or were replaced with concrete and stone-facades once big-scale urbanization took place. Regions rich enough to afford stones or had to use bricks usually have older buildings that have survived to this day.

Though they may have many ugly towns and cities, the nature is still great in Scandinavia.
Very interesting comment, and strangely enough, what applies to Scandinavia also applies to Japan: buildings made almost entirely out of wood in the pre-industrial era replaced by typical "commie blocks" in the postwar era. Of course, the firebombing by the US during the war helped speed up the transation, tragically, but the Japanese themselves have proven to be the most relentless destroyers of wooden buildings, even in the historic capital of Kyoto (spared by US bombers), where sometimes a crazy foreigner will buy an old wooden house that a Japanese wouldn't touch with a ten-foot bamboo pole.

PS: speaking of Japanese commie blocks, we were on a guided tour with a bunch of Japanese tourists and, staring into the commie-block nightmare that is the 1980s "New Town" in Bratislava/Pressburg, I commented to an architect in our group, "It looks just like Japan." He conceded it was true.

PPS: again OT, but Japanese houses today are so poorly built that mortgage lenders define them to be "valueless" after 18 years! Kampf, perhaps Germany's ugly postwar architecture shouldn't have been so solidly built!
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Damn it
The Waldschlösschenbrücke will look just terrible at this location, I still hope somebody in Dresden is able to prevent this bridge!
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Old November 15th, 2007, 07:37 PM   #410
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I think it'll be alright. The bridge is decent enough looking and UNESCO doesn't say anything while Chipperfield's raping Berlin's museum island.
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Old November 15th, 2007, 10:33 PM   #411
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You're absolutely right, it's annoying to see how Crappyfield is destroying Berlins heritage

But I don't really know if I could call a bridge like this 'decent'... I hope they're going to change anything at the details (the lanterns e.g.), in oder to let it look way more classy and filigree than this at least:



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I don't think it's great either but at the end of the day I doubt too many tourists are gonna go to that spot to check out Dresden's skyline. Besides, who the f*ck is UNESCO to tell Dresdeners (they voted for this bridge) what sort of infrastructure projects are ok or not.
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Old November 16th, 2007, 12:10 AM   #413
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The bridge is functional, I don't see the problem.
I'v seen nicer bridges, but its just a bridge.
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If the Dresdeners won't like it, it will be torn down anyway.

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Old November 16th, 2007, 02:25 PM   #415
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Kurländer Palais



Quartier III





Schütz-Residenz/Köhlersches Haus (Quartier V/2)



Place where the bay window will be:



Modern part of the Quartier:

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Lol there is a Turkey advertisement on the placard

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I hate that strange glass terrace on top of this roof:



Why are they disfiguring the reconstructed facade with such an embarrassing structure? Is it just somethin for the pleasure of some yuppies having a barbecue there? I'd be ashamed if the people could watch me doing and spitting on my head then.
At least they could have build something more classy, with sandstone or wood. Glass and steel doesn't have to do anything on the Neumarkt facades, unless for windows maybe
I hope they're tearing it down again as fast they can, or replace it with smth nicer leastwise.
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After the lil' commotion with the glass terrace, it's time to watch some way more worthily progress at the Neumarkt

Quartier III


Quartier V - Heinrich-Schütz_Residenz


An der Frauenkirche (AdF) 16-17 - reconstruction of 2 baroque houses which are quite true to the original, at the Quartier III





Barrel-vault in the cellar


They integrated some original stones of the former houses, which were destroyed in WW2




Great to see so much effort at these reconstructions




Wooden door for AdF 17 - it's yet unfinished and going to be slightly overworked


A morning like some centuries ago, ain't it?
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I want a front door like that.
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