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Old November 25th, 2013, 01:54 PM   #4201
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Go to the skybar for discussing the war. This thread is solely about the Neumarkt reconstruction project. Thank you.



(As this forum remains largely unmoderated since I was demodded, ja you know...)
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Old November 25th, 2013, 02:32 PM   #4202
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The aim was to inflict as much damage as possible. The loss of life was simply collateral damage, which UK and US authorities accepted in the reality of Total War.
Thats the point. It wasn't just "collateral damage". The British recognized that infrastructure and factories could be rebuilt quite fast after they were hit by bombings or military production was transfered into unreachable underground. So they decided to hit the workers instead by bombing living quarters on purpose.
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Old November 25th, 2013, 02:34 PM   #4203
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The aim was to inflict as much damage as possible. The loss of life was simply collateral damage, which UK and US authorities accepted in the reality of Total War.
Thats the point. It wasn't just "collateral damage". The British recognized that infrastructure and factories could be rebuilt quite fast after they were hit by bombings or military production was transfered into unreachable underground. So they decided to also hit the workers directly by bombing living quarters on purpose.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 02:28 AM   #4204
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Go to the skybar for discussing the war. This thread is solely about the Neumarkt reconstruction project. Thank you.
If this topic is solely about the Neumarkt reconstruction project (which you are apparently concerned), why are you giving 'likes' to posts which are clearly off-top?

Anyway, I don't mind if all the posts regarding war will be removed by someone who is in charge. Starting with complete offtop about mass murder in Dresden.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 02:31 AM   #4205
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Go to the skybar for discussing the war. This thread is solely about the Neumarkt reconstruction project. Thank you.



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I totally agree. I understand that Dresden recent history can lead to these discussions, they are interesting, but this is NOT the right thread for them.
Let's talk about DRESDEN NEUMARKT RECONSTRUCTION please
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Old November 26th, 2013, 02:57 AM   #4206
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Isn't Autumn in Dresden great?
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Old November 26th, 2013, 03:12 AM   #4207
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That's kinda off topic too...
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Old November 26th, 2013, 03:21 AM   #4208
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lol.
Not much going on in Neumarkt these days...
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Old November 26th, 2013, 05:52 PM   #4209
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Exactly. That's why related topics that are not precisely on the reconstruction projects seem perfectly fine for this arena. When there's something new and pivotal about the specific reconstructions, the conversation will naturally develop and expand.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 09:58 PM   #4210
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The thread is going off topic so I have succumbed and I am posting pictures of the renovation of the Kulturplast. The question is, why the heck are they renovating this atrocity? Shouldn't they be making plans to demolish it?!

















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Old November 27th, 2013, 12:12 AM   #4211
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The thread is going off topic so I have succumbed and I am posting pictures of the renovation of the Kulturplast. The question is, why the heck are they renovating this atrocity? Shouldn't they be making plans to demolish it?!

















Sorry guys, but I do like the Kulturpalast! It is good that it will be hidden behind reconstructed houses from the Neumarkt, because it does not blend very well with the newly reconstructed surroundings, but it is an absolute stunner facing the Altmarkt. Ok...now I'm ready for an earthquake of insults
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Old November 27th, 2013, 12:31 AM   #4212
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It's kind of OK to like it, just don't quote all the images, there's no need for that.
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Old November 27th, 2013, 01:03 AM   #4213
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Sorry guys, but I do like the Kulturpalast! It is good that it will be hidden behind reconstructed houses from the Neumarkt, because it does not blend very well with the newly reconstructed surroundings, but it is an absolute stunner facing the Altmarkt. Ok...now I'm ready for an earthquake of insults
Everyone has an opinion and there's no accounting for taste. No need to hurl insults. That said, even if this structure were more properly staged as a Walmart in some distant open space, I fail to see what is "absolutely stunning" about its appearance, design, structural details, or environmental harmony.
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Old November 27th, 2013, 04:17 PM   #4214
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Everyone has an opinion and there's no accounting for taste. No need to hurl insults. That said, even if this structure were more properly staged as a Walmart in some distant open space, I fail to see what is "absolutely stunning" about its appearance, design, structural details, or environmental harmony.
I wasn't hurling insults, just joking, seeing how controversial this building is and how many "battles" it caused even in these pages... ;-)
I agree, is a matter of personal taste. I like the proportion of it and the "lightness" of the whole structure even if massive. Or maybe it is also a "vintage patina" that makes it now really fascinating. It's not true that it does not have environmental harmony: it suited very well the surroundings created after WWII, whether one like them or not, they were an homogenic urban planning. Of course it clashes now with the reconstruction of the old city centre so it is a good decision to screen it off the reconstructed Neumarkt, but I then don't see the point of tearing it down like many people would like. I suppose also that this is the kind of building that raise a mix of feelings in Dresden citizens due to its history and meaning.
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Old November 27th, 2013, 05:34 PM   #4215
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I'm not a fan of the Kulturpalast, but I am amazed just how far that area has come. Here are a few pictures I took from the top of the Frauenkirche in 2008. I included a few of the Kulturpalast, I took a number of pictures of it hoping that would be all that is left next time I'm back.

Normally I wouldnt dig these up, but I thought the thread needed a bit of a nostalgic distraction:

RampischeStrasse 2008:


Kulturplast:


Pre-war NeuMarkt:


I really like this mosaic, interesting the propaganda themes:




Swiss Hotel Site (I believe):


A few pics I took from the beer garden across the river, no better place to sit and watch the sunset:






And the transportation I rented while there, loved this car


I know this isnt construction related, but thought this was funny:
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Old November 28th, 2013, 08:39 PM   #4216
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Who would have thought scenes/views like this would become reality 20 years ago:

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Morgens am Neumarkt by windo licker, on Flickr

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Buildings in the Neumarkt Area, Dresden (1) by Phil Masters, on Flickr

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Buildings in the Neumarkt Area, Dresden (3) by Phil Masters, on Flickr

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Neumarkt Area, Dresden (2) by Phil Masters, on Flickr

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Buildings in the Neumarkt Area, Dresden (2) by Phil Masters, on Flickr
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Old November 28th, 2013, 08:44 PM   #4217
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Rampische Straße - Bodeniveauwerk fertig









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You forgot one of the nicest views:


http://www.bausituation-dresden.de/
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Old November 28th, 2013, 11:58 PM   #4220
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That grit. *drool*

Really wish they could rebuild those yard houses as well.
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