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Old December 7th, 2013, 11:41 AM   #4281
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It was definitely easier to implement Grids in America due to the fact that the country was measured before the cities were built. Therefore, there are many griddy places, whereas European cities did almost always exist before accurate maps were drawn(this happened mostly in the 18th and 19th century)
Middle Ages are called Dark Ages for a reason, but c'mon, our forefathers were able to measure 90-degree angle in 12th century
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Old December 7th, 2013, 06:59 PM   #4282
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Sure. But I'm glad they didn't care too much about 90° angles at all, I love the smooth, organic and romantic alleys of our European old towns. Dresden is luckily restoring some of this charme.
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Old December 7th, 2013, 07:41 PM   #4283
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It was definitely easier to implement Grids in America due to the fact that the country was measured before the cities were built. Therefore, there are many griddy places, whereas European cities did almost always exist before accurate maps were drawn(this happened mostly in the 18th and 19th century)
Exactly correct. Excellent point.

In my opinion, one of the best ways to see the grid pattern in real time is to fly into O'Hare Airport in Chicago on a clear night. The vast grid of perfectly placed streets and lights is an awesome sight. Of course it was more lovely with the former mercury vapor bluish-green lights than the new sodium vapor orange glow.
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Old December 7th, 2013, 09:48 PM   #4284
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Middle Ages are called Dark Ages for a reason, but c'mon, our forefathers were able to measure 90-degree angle in 12th century
Yeah, they're called the "dark ages" because Petrarch was an arrogant douche.
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Old December 7th, 2013, 09:54 PM   #4285
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It was definitely easier to implement Grids in America due to the fact that the country was measured before the cities were built. Therefore, there are many griddy places, whereas European cities did almost always exist before accurate maps were drawn(this happened mostly in the 18th and 19th century)
This is very true. Most American cities are from either the 18th, or early 19th century, and many of these cities were built in areas where creating grids was the most practical.

However, there are a handful of US cities that followed the same pattern of development as the motherland, as Boston exhibits.
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Old December 8th, 2013, 09:27 AM   #4286
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It was definitely easier to implement Grids in America due to the fact that the country was measured before the cities were built. Therefore, there are many griddy places, whereas European cities did almost always exist before accurate maps were drawn(this happened mostly in the 18th and 19th century)
Many towns of Central Europe, to the east of Elbe and Saale, are planned cities with grids built on uncultivated land (beside earlier settlements), just like American cities. The same is true for many mining towns, like Freudenstadt or Marienberg. Maybe they hadn't accurate maps in the Middle Ages, but they could measure distances and 90-degree angles.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 08:44 PM   #4287
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Old December 18th, 2013, 01:43 PM   #4288
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Old December 19th, 2013, 10:19 AM   #4289
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Old December 19th, 2013, 12:47 PM   #4290
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Man, that teal piece of shit really has to go...

Also tried looking at juwel-dresden.de and sure enough the site doesn't exist.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 04:46 PM   #4291
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Am I the only one bothered by the increasing amount of modernist structures in these "reconstructions"?
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Old December 19th, 2013, 04:54 PM   #4292
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Am I the only one bothered by the increasing amount of modernist structures in these "reconstructions"?
No, you're one among many.

That said, we're living in an entire world dominated and controlled by the internationalist architectural religion of modernism.

It's nearly impossible to find designers who draw from the past, even when the goal is to recreate it. When a project like the Neumarkt is even close to being acceptable, it's a major win. The basic shape, height, footprint, and roof lines of "reconstructions" while modern in feel, tend to integrate and far better than the modern cubes of characterless boxes build everywhere else.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 04:59 PM   #4293
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Well, the buildings I posted in post # 4288 were never slated to be reconstructed along historical lines anyway, seeing as the buildings that were there before 1945 were hardly anything to write home about either. I don't have a problem with modern additions as long as they're not any duller than their predecessors. That next project (Frieseneck) certainly comes close to breaching that guideline but I'm willing to give it a pass.
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Old December 27th, 2013, 08:33 PM   #4294
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I used to not be able to wait to check this thread out to see all the beautiful reconstructions but as of late I dread looking at this thread to see what horrible modernist shit they are building. Its really a shame and I am greatly disappointed in what the architects and planners have done.
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It might be just your perception, that the projects get worse (there's also a lot of talk and pictures of the ugly Kulturpalast in here recently.) Actually, the rate of faithful reconstructions got higher in recent years, compared to the beginning of the whole Neumarkt project. The modern additions now mostly integrate better as well, imho.
And you musn't forget, that Quarter VI and Quarter VII, which are next in line, will probably be some of the most beautiful quarters, with the highest recontruction rate to date:





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I agree. In a sense the best is yet to come. Let's not forget Palais Hoym either...
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And Hotel Stadt Rom, which was finally confirmed to be reconstructed like this:

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I think Photolitherland may also be reacting to the impression from tangential discussions that most of the rest of Dresden's rebuilding is modernist. It is.

Step outside the Neumarkt, even into the Altmarkt, and one can easily see the missed opportunity that the clean slate offered just a few years ago presented. Dresden, like Berlin, could have been reborn into its full former architectural glory. But the Neumarkt is an island in what will ultimately be seen an a modernist metropolis of mediocre miseries.
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Old December 27th, 2013, 09:39 PM   #4299
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Dresden, like Berlin, could have been reborn into its full former architectural glory.
Are we talking about the same Berlin that is full of bland 90s buildings? Don't get me wrong, I like some of the modern additions to the capital but it's hardly a shining example of historical reconstructions.
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The question is whether the above statement says that both Dresden and Berlin should have been more faithfully reconstructed - or if keepthepast means what you responded to.
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