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Old February 24th, 2014, 12:06 PM   #4361
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Aerial views of the central Dresden area around Neumarkt - we're finally getting a glimpse of a real old town again:








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Source: www.fotos-aus-der-luft.de

As you can see, they're a little older, the quarter next to the Royal Residence wasn't finished yet.
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Old February 24th, 2014, 12:25 PM   #4362
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Dresden from above again - in motion:

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Old February 24th, 2014, 02:21 PM   #4363
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^ Some of them were proposed to be integrated in the reconstructions. I think this was mentioned before.
I remember reading that some of the basements have already been integrated. I was referring to actual items discovered during the excavations. I'm curious if they find artifacts that are very old as well as things left behind by the people who died in them. Something similar to what they found in Stralsund:

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Old February 24th, 2014, 04:44 PM   #4364
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I remember reading that some of the basements have already been integrated. I was referring to actual items discovered during the excavations. I'm curious if they find artifacts that are very old as well as things left behind by the people who died in them. Something similar to what they found in Stralsund:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...29&postcount=3
yes, I have tried to find this out as well. Unless those cellars were previously excavated and paved over after the war, there must be much buried, including human remains.
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Old March 2nd, 2014, 01:01 PM   #4365
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Palais am Neumarkt/ Eckhaus Rampischestr. - Stand 18.02.2014





























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Old March 2nd, 2014, 01:04 PM   #4366
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Man, those commies on Hauptstrasse are such an eyesore. They need to be demolished asap...
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Man, those commies on Hauptstrasse are such an eyesore. They need to be demolished asap...
Those parts of Hauptsrasse could easely be recontructed.
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Of course they could. You just have to have will and money!
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Don't people live inside them?
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Don't people live inside them?
the upper levels are housing, mostly, and the lower levels are commercial. Doesn't matter, though, people move constantly all over the world when their buildings go through renovation or rebuilding or tear down and not replaced.
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It's amazing that hey have got so many nice houses rebuilt, but as long as there remain these terrible prefabs and especially buildings like that horrible ugly eyeshore boxy thing on north of Altmark, they can do anything and it won't help
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It's amazing that hey have got so many nice houses rebuilt, but as long as there remain these terrible prefabs and especially buildings like that horrible ugly eyeshore boxy thing on north of Altmark, they can do anything and it won't help
Honestly, those boxes aren't nearly as irritating as the fact that the architects & planners aren't fully embracing the opportunity to recreate all of Neumarkt. Talk about repeating past mistakes when they sneak modernist designs into the streetscape or rebuild with flat roofs.
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There could be more buildings reconstructed. On the other side, the newly designed buildings integrate quite well in my opinion. They are not trying to create any contrasts. I guess the reason is to make visible that there has been war damage and not to pretend nothing happened in the meantime. Or maybe they are doing it because they feel guilty for constructing such a beautiful ensemble
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There could be more buildings reconstructed. On the other side, the newly designed buildings integrate quite well in my opinion. They are not trying to create any contrasts. I guess the reason is to make visible that there has been war damage and not to pretend nothing happened in the meantime. Or maybe they are doing it because they feel guilty for constructing such a beautiful ensemble
Oh the German post-1945 self-flagellation emotion. No wonder the market for whips and chains.
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The modern additions to Neumarkt are within human scale and fitted into the old streetscape. Remember....the whole area was a pasture for sheep for 50 years and ruin. The citizens are thankful just for their city back. The mix of styles is amazing and a pleasure to walk around. Once the ugly DDR stuff is gone (which will take time), I hope the city will return the old streetscape throughout the town.
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so will patina actually form on these, or are the building materials too new and disallow it?

it's been quite a while on some of the older reconstructions, and they don't seem to be changeing at all.

shame if they don't, they look nice but rather look like plastic dollhouses at the moment.
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so will patina actually form on these, or are the building materials too new and disallow it?

it's been quite a while on some of the older reconstructions, and they don't seem to be changeing at all.

shame if they don't, they look nice but rather look like plastic dollhouses at the moment.
Good question. The new building materials are often created to not weather and denigrate as the more natural supplies of former times. In addition, the conditions that created the old looks over the past hundreds of years included forms of air pollution that no longer exists, mostly coal dust. Lastly, many of the images we have of the old structures are black and white or sepia which give an interesting impression of the facades' appearance. However, some color photos of the Neumarkt pre 1945 with a totally black Frauenkirche are not so pleasing.

So, I think the answer is 'it remains to be seen'. I suspect modern materials, paint, finishes, and cleaning will keep the current appearances for quite a long time.
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I suspect modern materials, paint, finishes, and cleaning will keep the current appearances for quite a long time.
that's somewhat of a shame... pollution is bad of course, and there's still the issue of acid forming in clouds and dissolving materials, but a little bit of natural 'grime' outlining the shapes can really add contrast to a building and give it that pleasing texture that older structures have.

on an urelated note, does anyone know of any landscaping plans? the platz could really benefit from a few trees
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