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Old December 13th, 2014, 08:19 PM   #4721
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and now it will move fast
and..what about the archaeology in the very site? i see just parts preseved (left corner)? the rest was removed due to the structural needs?
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Old December 14th, 2014, 09:45 PM   #4722
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The general practice in archaeology is that once you record something you remove it and procide to excavate earlier layers/structures until you've reached the earliest signs of human occupation. In some cases you choose to preserve remains from a certain time period depending on the goal of the archaeological excavation, but in the context of an urban excavation where new structures are going to be built on the site, the archaeological remains are usually removed.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 12:11 AM   #4723
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Weird news from Dresden, seems that they are going to do something to restore the old Neustadt Rathaus!!

However in a very strange way, let's remember that building:

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And let's see how it's going to be restored:

[IMG]http://oi62.************/mkhie8.jpg[/IMG]

Quite weird, seems that the uggly building won't be teared down, and only this little monument will be placed there to remember that old and pleasant building.

You can find more info here: http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/
It's in German, maybe some german speaker can help us to understand what's written here.

Here you have more pics:

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Old December 15th, 2014, 12:13 AM   #4724
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Old December 15th, 2014, 12:45 AM   #4725
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It will look nice anyway! Shame it will not be entire building, but at least memory will be there!
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Old December 15th, 2014, 02:00 AM   #4726
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It says translated, that the Neumarkt rebuilding Association likes to give the city a gift. The plan is to build out of donations of 275 000 Euro the 21 meter/63 feet high dome. That dome will include a clock, too. That dome used to be on top of the "Neu stadt Rathaus " called building. The socialists demolished the original against the will of the People, cause the political symbolism of times go past. The owner of the buildings in the back, wich is owned by the city, also likes to do some remodeling! But dose`t say what exactly.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 05:33 PM   #4727
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Neumarkt Quartier IV/3 - Friesengasse/ Landhausstraße - aktuell 12.12.2014











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Old December 15th, 2014, 09:30 PM   #4728
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Weird news from Dresden, seems that they are going to do something to restore the old Neustadt Rathaus!!

However in a very strange way, let's remember that building:

[CENTER]

And let's see how it's going to be restored:



Quite weird, seems that the ugly building won't be teared down, and only this little monument will be placed there to remember that old and pleasant building.

You can find more info here: http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/
It's in German, maybe some german speaker can help us to understand what's written here.

Here you have more pics:



Pathetic - why not restore the whole thing?
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Old December 15th, 2014, 11:24 PM   #4729
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Pathetic - why not restore the whole thing?
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Old December 15th, 2014, 11:26 PM   #4730
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That would be THE reason for the most of things in this world...
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Old December 18th, 2014, 07:44 PM   #4731
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Recently I read that maybe it would be fully reconstructed, but they will start with that, and in the future the whole thing.

However, the article was in German and my German is not so good, but I understood that a phase of debate will begin.
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Old December 19th, 2014, 12:54 AM   #4732
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I hope they will not do anything to the Kulturpalast other than restore it to its original condition. It adds a contrast with mid-century modern against pre-war architecture.
Plus the interior is really nice.


Too much contextualism isn't good except for museum cities. It makes the area too predictable.
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Old December 19th, 2014, 05:44 PM   #4733
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Too much contextualism isn't good except for museum cities. It makes the area too predictable.
Well, the Kulturpalast is certainly the aberration you feel is needed.
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Old December 19th, 2014, 06:06 PM   #4734
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I hope they will not do anything to the Kulturpalast other than restore it to its original condition. It adds a contrast with mid-century modern against pre-war architecture.
Plus the interior is really nice.


Too much contextualism isn't good except for museum cities. It makes the area too predictable.
I doesn't fit in. Move it to another place
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Old December 22nd, 2014, 05:38 PM   #4735
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Some interesting pictures from 1992 in this album
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Old December 26th, 2014, 11:29 PM   #4736
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You do know that communism is not as bad as american propaganda told you? At least, they had good medical care, free childcare, more working women,... (I prefer our social market economy, of course, but I wouldn't want to live in a laissez-faire capitalist country that calls Obama a socialist[quite funny, honestly, given that even Angela Merkel is less rightwing than him])
You didn't rebut the point I made. If communism was so great why it is always imposed with and by force? The fact that every single aspect of life under communism wasn't terrible doesn't change the fact that it is basically a terrible system. History, and not American propaganda shows that. Under capitalism those who serve the pubic the best and give the public the best products are rewarded financially in the marketplace. What's wrong with that? Now as far as it goes with Obama if you want him you can have him. I think he would make a great leader for a country like Haiti.
The U.S. is hardly laissez-fair. Half of our people do not even pay taxes. We have more welfare recipients, more food stamp recipients, more people on disability than ever. Yes Obama has made our country proud once again.
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You didn't rebut the point I made. If communism was so great why it is always imposed with and by force? The fact that every single aspect of life under communism wasn't terrible doesn't change the fact that it is basically a terrible system. History, and not American propaganda shows that. Under capitalism those who serve the pubic the best and give the public the best products are rewarded financially in the marketplace. What's wrong with that? Now as far as it goes with Obama if you want him you can have him. I think he would make a great leader for a country like Haiti.
The U.S. is hardly laissez-fair. Half of our people do not even pay taxes. We have more welfare recipients, more food stamp recipients, more people on disability than ever. Yes Obama has made our country proud once again.
In the DDR, there was a security for medical care, housing and employment, but within all those domains, the standard was lackluster. In the Sovjet union, the system imploded as the intend to redistribute wealth couldn´t be backed by any sufficient degree of production of that wealth.

True, the german industrious mentality might have made the malfunct system hang onto its sorry existence for eternity, if insulated from world events, but that wouldn´t have made it successful.

The east germans had to wait years for a car from the domestic monopolist "Trabi". In other east block countries, that was even an unimaginable luxury. Dresden even had an IT-center, from which Moscow sampled some of its head competence.

Many east germans, despite being materially better off and having more freedom, felt a loss of meaning after the wall fell. Jobs went lost. Coming to terms with the fact that what you were raised to believe was a lie isn´t easy, but admitting it is more impressive, than remaining in illusion.

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Old December 28th, 2014, 06:41 PM   #4738
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The general practice in archaeology is that once you record something you remove it and procide to excavate earlier layers/structures until you've reached the earliest signs of human occupation. In some cases you choose to preserve remains from a certain time period depending on the goal of the archaeological excavation, but in the context of an urban excavation where new structures are going to be built on the site, the archaeological remains are usually removed.
in fact you didnt give me the answer. instead you gave me a lesson on things that i know quite well, and that in fact i didnt ask at all. some of the facts are directly related to my profession, and many things that you wrote is simply not truth or at least the interpretation that you have put is considered as bad example of applied archaeology and conservation within preserved historic layers. not professional behaviour at all.
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Yes Obama has made our country proud once again.
What Obama has done is a pretty good job cleaning up the mess his predecessor left, especially considering that the opposition party's sole objective has been to thwart anything he tries to do.
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Old December 29th, 2014, 10:56 PM   #4740
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This thread is about Dresden's Neumarkt, please keep out American (or any other) politics, thank you.
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