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Old March 5th, 2015, 09:16 PM   #4801
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Virtual reality is the new urbanism.

While I appreciate the intent of the rebuilding and the architectural tastes of the city planners, I think the next stage of development is non physical. In other words, with the rise of virtual reality and more powerful computers such as quantum supercomputers, the next great city will be virtual. We will be able to design our own cities and then explore them like they were real. You can recreate all the old cities of Europe in the simulation and even invent new ones. It will be like the matrix.
I hope not. Or at least not as long as I live.
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Old March 6th, 2015, 12:27 AM   #4802
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Sounds like the Surrogates plot in some way, too.

I'm sure there will be more ways to explore virtual cities and have a lot of fun in them.
But no matter how perfect or exciting it'll be done, there will always be a reason to explore real places. We might melt with machines some day and lose out on emotions though, that could be a game changer. Anyway, we're distracted from the topic once again so let's take this to the Citytalk forum.
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Old March 6th, 2015, 03:46 AM   #4803
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With the IMAX technology and the computer generated imagery available, it would be terrific if someone produced a documentary that allowed us to view pre war Dresden in a 'real' filmatic manner.
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Old March 6th, 2015, 01:40 PM   #4804
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I prefer reconstructions over watching a video that shows how the city looked like in the past. It's not even comparable.
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Old March 6th, 2015, 06:26 PM   #4805
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I've been a main pusher to get the SSC Space, Science & Tech forum, so feel free to take the discussion e.g. there.
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Old March 10th, 2015, 09:39 AM   #4806
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ich habe nicht den genauen Überblick über die Anzahl der Rekonstruktionen, ob man schon ziemlich fertig ist oder ob noch mehr tolles kommt.
Da ich mir die ersten paar Seiten angeschaut habe und nichts gefunden habe, was alles rekonstruiert wird, wollte ich fragen ob mir jemand weiterhelfen kann?
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Old March 10th, 2015, 11:10 AM   #4807
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Hello everybody,
I'm going to visit Dresden this weekend, just 6-hour stay. Can you recommend, what shouldn't I miss? Of course want to see Neumarkt and its surroundings, Frauenkirche, but what else in historical city centre? Where to go? Any tips for good cheap lunch? Thanks!
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Old March 10th, 2015, 12:09 PM   #4808
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I'm going to visit Dresden this weekend, just 6-hour stay. Can you recommend, what shouldn't I miss? Of course want to see Neumarkt and its surroundings, Frauenkirche, but what else in historical city centre? Where to go? Any tips for good cheap lunch? Thanks!
With six hours, I would recommend 2-3 in and around the Altstad and Neumarkt. Then walk north across the Augustus Bridge to Albert Platz. To see a fairly untouched section of Dresden, go east a few blocks to Rothenburger Str. Walk up (north) on Rothenburger and then cut east to the Martin Luther Kirche
and Platz. Lovely square. Eat on the corner at Lloyd's for a nice salad. Then walk back down Martin Luther Str to the Albert Bridge and back to the AltStadt.
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I would recommend the Residenz Schloss! It`s a Museum with showcases estimated together in the billions! Btw. The Museum was the first continuous one open for public. The lords of Saxony opened there collections for the public the first time 1540. It looks like that the Schloss is the oldest Museum in Europe, maybe the world!!

For example: They ordered military equipment from the osman empire in the 1600`s for showcase! It`s still there. The whole order! Never used including a tent made from pure gold! Or some foldable drinking cups. 400 Years old. The only ones in existence! Like new.
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Old March 11th, 2015, 12:35 AM   #4810
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Old Masters Gallery in Dresden is one of the best art galleries in the world in terms of quality/quantity ratio. Shouldn't be missed.
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ich habe nicht den genauen Überblick über die Anzahl der Rekonstruktionen, ob man schon ziemlich fertig ist oder ob noch mehr tolles kommt.
Da ich mir die ersten paar Seiten angeschaut habe und nichts gefunden habe, was alles rekonstruiert wird, wollte ich fragen ob mir jemand weiterhelfen kann?
You like to see the total plans? There you go:

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Old March 20th, 2015, 09:29 PM   #4812
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Thanks Eagle. Are the existing buildings along Wilsdrufer Str to the east of Kulturpalast actually approved for removal and replacement?
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The Blue will be reconstructed inside and out with original material

The red need to have the original facade. If the owner likes, he can go further.

The red lines are future facades with different new buildings or facade reconstructions or traditional looking buildings.

The plans are from 2001 and where drawn with a reconstruction friendly city government. Todays government doesn't want to go any inch further than they have to. Unfortunately today's major is reelected because the economy in Dresden is booming, the city has no deficit and no mortgage. The state/province of saxony has no deficit neither.
But the people demand more of the past mixed with today`s needs. One reason for the slow rebuilding is the size of the buildings. some floors are 10 to - 12 feet high. Most buildings at the Neumarkt have seven to eight floors above street level and two to three floors underground for basements, delivery gates and parking. That means they are small highrises. That makes it expansive. Good to know that demand for space is extreme high. Condominiums are very hard to get by.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 09:58 PM   #4814
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Thanks Eagle. Are the existing buildings along Wilsdruffer Str to the east of Kulturpalast actually approved for removal and replacement?
You posted to quick! He he. The plan is from 2001. (Very small, sorry) The plan has been changed with the Wilsdruffer. Those are Stalin Style city owned apartments for middle income tenants here in downtown. Since the city is booming there are almost no apartments available. The major is against reconstruction. The buildings destroyed were from the 1890`s and the city has no financial pressure to privatize those houses, full with voters.


More interesting on the map is the return of the right wing from the "Landhouse" at the Landstrasse. It is light gray lot in the right lower corner. Above the two car parks for the police HQ are also covered in light gray.
The reconstruction association of Dresden wants to include them spaces into the plan!
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Something different; For those who wonder why people in Europe don`t want to have a garden: They do have. Many rented apartments, like those shown here, come with a garden. The garden is just not located by the place of rent. There are "garden colonies" close by, like a short walk. Some condos come with one, too. For people with no garden or one too small there are many to rent. Some even can be interherid to the next generation. I know of this practice at least from the 16th century from Germany. The Soviet union did the same all over Eastern Europe. In Russia, gardens are exempt from taxes. People do have gardens, some with little cottages on it. To have chicken or fix their muscle car or to have sleepovers with parties. A friend of mine wondered why there is no demand for suburbs. I told him that suburbs do exist. The others in the town core make do with "gardens" away.
Example:Pfotenhauerstrasse. No space for private gardens. But people do have them.




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Dresden's economy may be booming, but it surely can't be comparable to a boom that would happen if they reconstruct large areas of the city. I mean, who wouldn't want to visit "Florence on the Elbe", a city that was one of the most beautiful, if not THE most beautiful city in Europe. The splendor of old, baroque buildings would impress every single tourist and, of course, the citizens of Dresden themselves.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 03:57 AM   #4817
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You are right. It is embarrassing, but the city promotes itself as high tech medicine and robotics place for investors and, not joking, as shopping destination for tourists! They invested big in shopping malls. Dresden has the highest shopping sq feet per capita.
Polish, Czech and Russians do all their Christmas shopping in town.
The thinking needs to change. That is why Skyscrapercity is so important for us!
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You are right. It is embarrassing, but the city promotes itself as high tech medicine and robotics place for investors and, not joking, as shopping destination for tourists! They invested big in shopping malls. Dresden has the highest shopping sq feet per capita.
Polish, Czech and Russians do all their Christmas shopping in town.
The thinking needs to change. That is why Skyscrapercity is so important for us!
I hope that one day the ignorance will die with bad modernist architects.
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Old March 22nd, 2015, 05:35 PM   #4819
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It is ignorance in large part, but unfortunately a large number of people (who vote!) are comfortable, if not pleased, with characterless buildings. And many more, quite frankly, don't even notice. These folks are spending time enjoying Beyonce, demolition derby, and hot dogs in Walmart's parking lot while their city leaders are building trash.
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It is ignorance in large part, but unfortunately a large number of people (who vote!) are comfortable, if not pleased, with characterless buildings. And many more, quite frankly, don't even notice. These folks are spending time enjoying Beyonce, demolition derby, and hot dogs in Walmart's parking lot while their city leaders are building trash.
I really don't get those people who don't even CARE for their city and its buildings. They act as they don't live there, which is so stupid.
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