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Old May 3rd, 2015, 04:02 AM   #4881
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Dresden 10 points ! It is amazing how the City has changed from when I was visiting it 10 years ago !
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Old May 3rd, 2015, 04:12 AM   #4882
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Comparison 2010/2012 – prewar.
The devastation is an absolute crime against world heritage and an utter tragedy.

Had the allied forces allied possessed the foresight of the architecture that was to follow in the decades after the war, I am certain they would have thought twice before laying waste to all of Germany.
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Old May 3rd, 2015, 11:10 AM   #4883
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Old May 4th, 2015, 12:17 AM   #4884
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Hi,

Because - one from You was asking:"What means AH?" For the historic Postcards in the Gallery from Arstempano I make from every Owner of the Postcards the First letter and AH is for me, thats all. In the next month I will work also on this galery.
Otherwise - you can go around with Arstempano over the whole Neumarkt withe the red Points in the map ore the hotspots in the panos. The Panos are from 2012 and 2014. When the Frieseneck will be finishd, we Change the panos. In the next weeks we ar working für Infocards for every Buliding from the Neumeurkt like the "kurfürstliche Schmiede".



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Old May 4th, 2015, 03:09 PM   #4885
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The devastation is an absolute crime against world heritage and an utter tragedy.

Had the allied forces allied possessed the foresight of the architecture that was to follow in the decades after the war, I am certain they would have thought twice before laying waste to all of Germany.
There is very little foresight in war. Plus, Churchill and his group were extreme Germanophobes. I think, based on their own commentaries, they possessed a high degree of jealousy and envy of Germany's vast and varied architectural jewels. England's number of architectural keepsake cities paled in comparison, as did much of the rest of Europe. Jealousy and envy usually knows no bounds.
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Old May 5th, 2015, 10:21 PM   #4886
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The devastation is an absolute crime against world heritage and an utter tragedy.

Had the allied forces allied possessed the foresight of the architecture that was to follow in the decades after the war, I am certain they would have thought twice before laying waste to all of Germany.
During the war Allies had more priorities than taking care of architecture of Germany or anywhere else. Basically, the war, especially total war, is bad time for cities, inner cities and monuments of history.

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There is very little foresight in war. Plus, Churchill and his group were extreme Germanophobes. I think, based on their own commentaries, they possessed a high degree of jealousy and envy of Germany's vast and varied architectural jewels. England's number of architectural keepsake cities paled in comparison, as did much of the rest of Europe. Jealousy and envy usually knows no bounds.
In your anti-English sentiment you apparently forgot who the real enemy was. You forgot to mention Jewish-Communist-Slavic-Capitalist-Untermensch-LGBT plot to destroyed Sacred-Holy-Third-Reich, which started on Sept 1st, 1939 when Jewish Poles (paid both by Rotschild and drunk syphilitic Churchill, obviously) invaded German radio station in Gleiwitz and in fact that sad epoque lasts even today Since it is obvious that Jewish-LGBT-Slavic-did I forget anything? aaaah Untermensch! puppet chancellor half-Polish (what a shame and downright Rassenschande) Angela Merkel is forcing Germans to be merely the best soccer players, car-manufacturers, chemists, builders, bankers, engineers, urbanists and architects who are rich, happy (that is insult - how Germans dare to be happy?), joyful, democratic, federal and tolerant (even to Jews and homosexuals - aaaaaah, what a shame).

And that is all instead of their Sacred Fate of being Fuehrer soldiers dying in the Ostfront, or concentration camp guards, or Stuermer journalists or Treuhanders of "acquired" Jewish property). What a shame to Germany and all the civilisation of White Aryans

Having said that, I suggest we surface from this abyss of 80-year-old madness and come back to topic of Dresden reconstruction, which is happening right now, as we speak.
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Old May 5th, 2015, 11:26 PM   #4887
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It's trolling again. Too bad it can't be stopped or deleted.
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Old May 6th, 2015, 12:51 AM   #4888
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Dresden is really doing a fantastic job. Allied bombing did one good thing i can think of, diversity. Frankfurt for example would not be a city with one of the best skylines in Europe today. Keep in mind that historical architecture in many other countries did not survive because they just replaced old buildings with new ones. Bigger cities are always changing over time. We don't know how they will look like in 30 years. Old architecture is best preserved in smaller towns in my opinion.
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Old May 6th, 2015, 01:17 AM   #4889
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There is very little foresight in war. Plus, Churchill and his group were extreme Germanophobes. I think, based on their own commentaries, they possessed a high degree of jealousy and envy of Germany's vast and varied architectural jewels. England's number of architectural keepsake cities paled in comparison, as did much of the rest of Europe. Jealousy and envy usually knows no bounds.
im speechless- you truly believe that? nothing you have written here is correct, although i agree pre war germany was the most beautiful country in the world. to have walked the streets of pre war hamburg...
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Old May 6th, 2015, 01:25 AM   #4890
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What I don't understand is even if one can't recreate the baroque details in architecture that was lost, why cant the new buildings at least be built in a basic traditional German style? Lots of German cities have pretty simple buildings that still have an elegance about them that might even cost less to build than some of these modern uninspired replacements that are being built. The building going in next to the wonderfully recreated British Hotel illustrates my point. That said, l visited Dresden in 2000 and then again in 2012 and the difference was remarkable! Despite the WW2 losses it is a beautiful city that is getting prettier with each passing year. The Germans are doing a great job overall and everyone should visit and financially support the restorations.
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Old May 6th, 2015, 02:37 AM   #4891
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What I don't understand is even if one can't recreate the baroque details in architecture that was lost, why cant the new buildings at least be built in a basic traditional German style?
I live in Germany presently and from my gatherings those "basic German style" buidings or houses arent easy or cheap to remake. Remember that Dresden Church cost about €200 million to rebuild. Old style buidings arent made anymore and if they are its a specialty like half-timbered houses which are expensive and have very little craftsmen to build them.

We live in a expendable world now where everything is made as cheaply as possible with everything machine made that has next to no hand made details.
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Old May 6th, 2015, 03:04 AM   #4892
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Seeing pictures of german cities before the war is really bad for my heart...

There were a los of innecesary bombered cities destroyed by the allieds.

Here you have some fascinating coloured photos...


Berlin


























Dresden












Leipzig














Breslau/Wroclaw












Stettin/Szczecin








München (Munich)











Freiburg








Hamburg




















Karlsruhe






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Danzig/Gdansk










If we reach the second page i have more...
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Old May 6th, 2015, 09:22 AM   #4893
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Hed Kandi, please stopp this. This threat is for recontruction in Dresden and not for random fotos of prewar Germany!!!
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Old May 6th, 2015, 10:53 AM   #4894
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Indeed, that's what we have this thread for:
Germany at the end of the 19th century / before WWII (historical photos)

And well, that gallery from "SSP" is basically a repost from that thread's first post.
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Old May 6th, 2015, 11:20 AM   #4895
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Old May 6th, 2015, 01:04 PM   #4896
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Dresden is really doing a fantastic job. Allied bombing did one good thing i can think of, diversity. Frankfurt for example would not be a city with one of the best skylines in Europe today. Keep in mind that historical architecture in many other countries did not survive because they just replaced old buildings with new ones. Bigger cities are always changing over time. We don't know how they will look like in 30 years. Old architecture is best preserved in smaller towns in my opinion.
I don't agree. Frankfurt could easily be a skyscrapercity too, but only with the skyscrapers a bit outside the city center like e.g. Paris, London or Milan. Diversity is only a good thing when it is balanced. Meaning keeping old from new in most cases.
I believe most people would prefer the Montparnasse skyscraper to be removed to the outskirts of Paris in La Defénse.

http://www.paris-montparnasse-hotel....nasse_huge.jpg

The only think I ask for is the modern buildings to be placed next to each other and keep them away from the inner core in historical cities. Could you imagine Frankfurt skyscrapers next to Piazza Navona in Rome? No. But 2-3 km away from the city center? Yes. By the way I think Frankfurt will benefit greatly from rebuilding the altstadt. Only minor problem is that some of the buildings will be modern with an old touch. I would have preferred 200 metres times 200 metres with only historical buildings.

http://www.fr-online.de/image/view/2...adthaus_02.jpg

This is better:

http://img.welt.de/img/kunst-und-arc...ankfurt-2-.jpg

Should old architecture only be kept in small towns? So how about Paris, Rome, New York etc?
This is, sorry, nonsense. But modern architecture should be allowed everywhere, perhaps especially in bigger cities as long as you preserve and protect certain areas.
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Old May 6th, 2015, 06:44 PM   #4897
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Please stick to topic, Dresden
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Old May 6th, 2015, 07:35 PM   #4898
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I thought you would all enjoy this piece by the National Film Board of Canada:

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Old May 6th, 2015, 08:40 PM   #4899
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christ, those pictures are amazing. germany really did have it all. what a crying, crying shame. they made russian/ british/ french cities look, well, a bit rubbish in comparison. jewels, taken from the world.
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Old May 7th, 2015, 12:24 AM   #4900
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christ, those pictures are amazing. germany really did have it all. what a crying, crying shame. they made russian/ british/ french cities look, well, a bit rubbish in comparison. jewels, taken from the world.
But that doesn't mean we can't get them back. We just have to inform and show people how European cities before WW2 were beautiful places to live in.
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