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Old May 27th, 2015, 06:54 AM   #4921
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And what was your answer?

Naturally I explained that Kultur Palast was built not long after the war, and that it is now considered to be one of Germany's most beautiful and iconic buildings. He asked, "Why don't they just tear it down?" When I was recovered enough from my shock to find my voice, I told him that doing so would be tantamount to demolishing Neuschwanstein Castle, or the cathedral at Cologne; the people wouldn't stand for it.

What I actually told him was, "I know. It is ugly. I imagine it was meant to kick-start development of Dresden's destroyed old town and push it in some modern direction. To me, it looks like it's just in the way. I wish they would demolish it and rebuild the 4 blocks it's taking up with the baroque buildings that used to be there.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 03:36 PM   #4922
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Would love to hear you respond to a self indulged waiter who just explained the entree that is on your plate for $100.

Given the accommodation the city gave the architect who designed the kulturpalast, the desire to 'hang out the dirty clothes' that has gripped Germany since 1945 and resistance to rebuilding/representing 'the past', and the already paid for repairs to the existing structure, this wart-on-the-nose-of-Dresden will not likely be removed for a long time. The design idea that remodeled the exterior to blend in its baroque setting would have been a wonderful compromise, but it was denied.

I think the focus now needs to be on the residential block houses along WilsrufferStr and in the areas west of the Neumarkt and Altmarkt.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 04:42 PM   #4923
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I think the focus has to be on every ugly building in or around Neumarkt area. The worst thing we can do is give up and let a crappy architect to screw up the whole old town. I actually hope that someone from the City Council reads this thread. I would like to look at their faces as they realise they are spending millions to renovate a building which has been panned by (almost) everyone who commented it and its design. But they are probably too dumb for that, anyway.
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Old May 28th, 2015, 12:55 AM   #4924
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I think that TheEagle, described (a few pages back) how such decisions are made: behind closed doors by unelected bureaucrats, with no regard for the wishes of the citizens of Dresden.
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Old May 28th, 2015, 03:24 PM   #4925
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Well, citizens can always oppose something they don't like or something that will harm their city, like renovation of Kulturpalast, or building some new faceless buildings instead of reconstructing something that was specific for their city.
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Old May 28th, 2015, 05:24 PM   #4926
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If I am visiting an area of a city like Dresden that dates from the 18th century, then I don't expect to be confronted by something that is 20th century "modern" dropped down in the midst of it. I fail to see why so many places seem to think that this is something that is a great addition to their cityscape.

The best recent example of this sort of thing is building one wall of the Berlin Humboldt Forum in modern style while the other three walls faithfully reproduce the original baroque facade. Why couldn't they just extend the baroque design on around the fourth side? Yes, I know that was not the way it originally was, but that blends with the other three sides a lot better than something modern.

Just obscuring the view of Dresden's Kultur Palast from the rest of the Neu Markt area is probably the best compromise given the fact that it is already there.
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Old May 28th, 2015, 09:00 PM   #4927
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The real shocking about is that the governments are holding investors and donators back.
In other countries the governments complain about a lack of investors for let's say "proven" architecture. Charlston town here in the US for example. And here? Several investors with customers wanted to build fillers neo historical. They were pulled back. Dresden didn't took
donations for a outside remodel of the Kultur Palast. OK, being fair, they also wanted to add residential buildings to make it a city block. But still.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 05:26 AM   #4928
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Several investors with customers wanted to build fillers neo historical. They were pulled back. Dresden didn't took .
Could you elaborate on this, please? I'd like to know what kind of a person would do such a thing. It's almost like vandalism.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 05:25 PM   #4929
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If I am visiting an area of a city like Dresden that dates from the 18th century, then I don't expect to be confronted by something that is 20th century "modern" dropped down in the midst of it.
The vast majority of the core of the city dates from +1945
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But, that is a separate point. As JW is suggesting, there is an effort to reinstate the 18th century grandeur of Dresden that builds interest/desire in people to travel to see the reconstructions. For those visiting to experience all the good work, the leftovers from post 1945 are indeed disruptions and disconnects.
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Old June 2nd, 2015, 12:20 PM   #4931
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I never get tired of looking at that magnificent church.
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Old June 2nd, 2015, 06:21 PM   #4933
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A truly magnificent building... Such a shame it will become black in few decades, I just love how the original stones can be spotted easily.
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When seeing this magnificent building, it's hard to understand how architects and investors alike could not always want to strive for such perfection, whether it be classic/historical or modern.

I think, although it may be wrong, that the new sandstone used for construction is treated with a sealant that inhibits the normal oxidation seen in former times.
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Old June 2nd, 2015, 07:29 PM   #4935
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Well, perfection in contemporary architecture is expensive...
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Perfection and magnificence in architecture have always been expensive. It's a matter of will.

In addition, today we got enormous ease via modern technology and knowledge in various fields. We just need to make proper use of it.
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The thing is, nobody except russian oligarchs can afford such magnificience nowadays. Back in the baroque times, workforce was much cheaper and there are things that can only be produced by humans. Mass produced ornaments from the 3D-printer will always look tacky because they are too perfect. It's the little imperfections that make up the charme of a place.
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Old June 3rd, 2015, 01:44 PM   #4938
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We can program irregular imperfections for 3D printing without much hassle, pal!

Large swathes of the stucco work of the 19th century were machine-produced and replicated as well. Yet the historicist buildings are almost universally loved.
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Large swathes of the stucco work of the 19th century were machine-produced and replicated as well. Yet the historicist buildings are almost universally loved.
But rarely, if ever, reconstructed. It is individual value of buildings (older than 19th century) that is perceived as worth reconstructing.
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I think that's a time issue (we're still rather close to the Belle Epoque) and it's changing rapidly already. Just have a look at the revitalization thread or this Leipzig thread, how carefully some long gone historicist details or even whole buildings are reconstructed. Then there's huge projects, like the Traffic Museum in Budapest about to get rebuilt.

Of course, much of our cities were actually built during that time, so we got swathes of the historicist style, even in destroyed/modernist-riddled places. Talking about Germany, there's much contemplation (and some action) about reconstructing 19th century buildings (like city halls) or lost elements like cupolas and gables in various cities.
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