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Old January 5th, 2008, 08:15 PM   #501
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Great post Agnus!
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Old January 6th, 2008, 09:54 PM   #502
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I was born in city whose Latin name is Vratislavia (Wroclaw, Breslau, Presslaw, Wrotizla). I know very well history that Poles, Germans, Jews, Austrians and Czechs share in places like that. My home town is great example of Central European "mikrocosmos" - where during last 1000 years people from many countries and cultures lived. We should not blame anyone for his parents or grandparents sins but we also should remember the past. I agree with Unionstation13 that it's great if Germans reconstruct Dresden, and it has nothing to do with Warsaw (as Da3won suggested). But I also know that Jews and Poles were major victims of WWII. Germans lost the war, paid the price in blood and in land. Soviets won, but the price was very high too (largest number of killed citizens). Fortunately for Germans, after WWII, most of its country has been under US occupation so they are almost 50 years "behind" comparing to countries occupied by Soviet Union. That is why some Poles, even today, are bit bitter (we were victims, being on Allied side we won the war, but being under Soviet occupation we lost almost 50 years). I hope that future is bright, only one condition is mutual respect and understanding (not aggression, hate and racism that made WWII possible). I am happy that Dresden is reconstructed, I am happy that there is chance for similar projects in Wroclaw. Sorry for this off-topic but I could not resist ...
Great Post !!

If one day Breslau is reconstructed like Dresden is, that would be such great news for all Europe !!

Breslau was and is with no doubt one of the most beautiful cities in central Europe, and due to history and Soviet ocupation, it went back in time more than 50 years, I think in no other big city in Europe happens that the city was more prosper, economically and culturally before 1945 than now a days, even the last years a lot of good work is done......lets cross our fingers and hope hate and nationalism doesnt blind politics to preserve and bring back some of the lost heritage jewels of central Europe !!
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Old January 10th, 2008, 04:45 PM   #503
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I'm craving for updates. C'mon Kampfly, help us out!
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Old January 10th, 2008, 06:49 PM   #504
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Where is Breslau?



I dont know
Its so funny...people can call Warsaw-Varsovia....Den Haag - La Haya....
Venezzia-Venice..and such a long etc...in so many languages...why some polish get so alergic to one of the correct names of their city?...you will have to start getting over the history of your city, because now a days everybody in Europe knows the past of Breslau and what happened there....its nobodys fault now a days, but its like this, and if you have such a great city today its in part thanks to the german inhabitans that lived there and made the city so prospere just 60 years ago...for more than 300 years...and common , dont be so childish....If we look so back in time to reclaim the origin of a city, this city should be Zcech and therefor called Vratislavia !!
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btw...i dont like wroclaw...i prefer krakow, lviv or vilnius


Lviv was polish for more than 500 years but I do not speak LWOW

I think Breslau is much more beautiful than Krakow but thats just my personal opinion, but I agree with you that Lwow is a very beautiful city !!

And you are right, because almost 70% of the actual citizens of Breslau come originally(their parents) from Lwow, they emptied Lwow of Polish to bring them to Breslau that was emptied of germans...one of the terrible things that Stalin made after winning the war....but I am sure if some grandmothers and grandfathers polish that still live today, and were born in Lwow, I am sure when they talk about the place they were born, they refer to it as Lwow and not Lviv..and you can not blame them for that at all !!

So please, about this 2 special cities in Central Europe...call them as you like, everybody can do so, as far as we are talking about the same place !!

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You can see the Kurländer Palais at the end of that street



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Old January 10th, 2008, 10:24 PM   #507
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This view will be quite a knock-out when Kurländer Palais & Co. are finished.
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Old January 12th, 2008, 06:16 PM   #508
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Kampflamm, cant you make a thread about museum island in Berlin?
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No, he better can't. It'd only hurt everyone's eyes after seeing this Dresden thread.

Just look at this, this, this or that - but don't say I wouldn't have warned you.
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Old January 12th, 2008, 08:45 PM   #510
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What is this freak of nature???

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Old January 15th, 2008, 09:39 PM   #511
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An art gallery.

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Heinrich-Schütz-Residenz and modern building (not too much space)





Kulturpalast in the background



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Old January 15th, 2008, 10:20 PM   #512
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You got to a admit that a big part of it looks tacky, though we have worst in Paris though, Disney has been constructing a suburb (a real one, not a theme park, though the difference is narrow in this case) near disneyland with pseudo-19th century architecture.
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Old January 16th, 2008, 12:57 AM   #513
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How do you define tacky? Again, I think it's just because it looks brand new (besides, they're not fake Disney buildings). They'll change some of the colors though (that peach colored fire wall will be grey soon). Anyway, I'm sure Warsaw's old town looked "tacky" immediately after they reconstructed it as well.
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Old January 16th, 2008, 01:33 AM   #514
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In France, Saint-Malo is the only town that was fully reconstructed. It's not tacky but just exaggerated. But one more time, it was about façadism.



IMO, the materials used are very important. I'm not sure that time will be generous with those newer buildings in Dresden. As I once said, there are many projects in France that imitate vernacular architecture or urban buildings : they age badly because of lack of quality materials.
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Only the finest Corinthian leather was used in the construction.
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I agree Kampflamm. I think people keep saying it's tacky because they are not used to seeing old style buildings brand spanking new. As soon as one sees an "old" building that looks perfectly new one begins to think "Disney World".

I used to do antique furniture reproduction and we had to use many techniques to make a brand new piece of furniture look old. We beat them up with rocks, scratched them with razor blades, poked fake worm holes in them with ice picks, dirtied-up the creases/cracks/corners with paint, etc... It's called distressing.

They are not going to "distress" brand new buildings to make them appear older. Time, sun, weather, pollution, will do that naturally.
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Yes, they built some 'old fashioned' townhouses near my neighborhood a few years ago and when they were finished people thought they looked "plastic" but over time due to the forces, it has kind of settled and become rather attractive.
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Old January 16th, 2008, 03:06 PM   #518
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I said it before, i say it again. This project is fantastic and i wish many cities would follow this example. Keep the historic parts of your city alive! Absolut klasse!!
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I said it before, i say it again. This project is fantastic and i wish many cities would follow this example. Keep the historic parts of your city alive! Absolut klasse!!
I agree, I think cities everywhere should rebuild their historic downtowns.
I wish Indy would, I'd love to see second empire come back.
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