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Old January 18th, 2016, 06:24 PM   #5261
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That would be lovely, but a new building was recently built there and another one was renovated , so I don't know how that'll go. Pirnaischer Platz, on the other hand, probably won't be reconstructed since the buildings were historicist there, and we all know how enthusiastic architects are when it comes to reconstruction, especially of a building that'd stood there for 50 years and it's been missing for 70 years.
Anyway, the city should make a long-term plan of its possible urbanization and development, it has too many undeveloped plots and cheap commieblocks for a city that was considered as a major European cultural hub. It's kinda embarrassing, if you think about it.

Off topic. How come that Augustus Bridge survived the war, since, you know, it's in the middle of the city center and we all know how buildings there, if there were any, looked after that horrible night. I've been interested since I found out that another bridge, Carola Bridge, next to the city center, didn't survive the war and was replaced by a commie vomit.
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Old January 18th, 2016, 09:48 PM   #5262
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Old January 18th, 2016, 10:21 PM   #5263
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Off topic. How come that Augustus Bridge survived the war, since, you know, it's in the middle of the city center and we all know how buildings there, if there were any, looked after that horrible night. I've been interested since I found out that another bridge, Carola Bridge, next to the city center, didn't survive the war and was replaced by a commie vomit.
Yes, Augustus Bridge "survived" meaning it was not bombed to a point of non- use, but it was heavily damaged. Not unlike the Frauenkirche that actually survived the bombing nights but collapsed the next day due to heat-weakened walls. It is somewhat miraculous that the Augustus bridge was not more damaged, but I have never read anything that would suggest the bombers attempted to avoid it.
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Old January 18th, 2016, 11:11 PM   #5264
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Off topic. How come that Augustus Bridge survived the war, since, you know, it's in the middle of the city center and we all know how buildings there, if there were any, looked after that horrible night. I've been interested since I found out that another bridge, Carola Bridge, next to the city center, didn't survive the war and was replaced by a commie vomit.
Well, it is not so easy to destroy a vault bridge from above. It is basically just a flat street. Some bombs may have hit and damaged the surface though.
Anyway, the Augustusbrücke just like the Carolbrücke, Marienbrücke and Albertbrücke were blown up by Waffen SS and Wehrmacht troops on 7th May 1945. The Loschwitzer Brücke (Blaues Wunder) was prepared too but civilians cut off the blasting fuse. Carolabrücke was completely destroyed whereas the other bridges suffered only damage of some vaults.
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Old January 19th, 2016, 12:22 AM   #5265
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ChinaBRICS, any chance you are available to be mayor of Dresden?
My wet dream is to become Mayor of Naples!
I can't believe that city isn't the most touristic in the world!
It has everything and in big amount.
I can turn it into a new Barcolena in 1 year without money or in a new Paris with some money in 5, in terms of tourism I mean.

But I'd accept Dresden any day!!!!

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Old January 19th, 2016, 07:00 PM   #5266
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Old January 19th, 2016, 09:43 PM   #5267
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....then you'll become a bad one.

In the US, at least, all well-intended politicians get accepted into the "club" only if they play the game and become part of the scam; from the president on down. This could change, though, soon.
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Can't say that from the politicians I've met in the US, nor for the ones I know in Germany, UK, Poland or other countries. Though, lobbyism is very widespread everywhere, but I guess that hasn't been different at any point in history. You become a politician to do something for your interests or a broader vision and other people/groups will approach you for just that or some other specific interest. Politics are just the coordinator for various interests within an entity.

After all, we're all "lobbying" for reconstructions and classical architecture as well here, it's a minority interest but we think it's good for everyone. So, let's be politicians everyone and change our region/world for the better. You don't have to be a biggie to do something of merit locally.
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Old January 20th, 2016, 12:48 AM   #5269
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Lobbying in its honest form is one thing, as we do here and hope to gain support for good causes by showing worthy need and long term value.

Lobbying in the vast majority of US political venues is about exchanging money, ie bribes. No one can "make it" in Washington without getting their hands in the pot. Dirty little secret that is not so much a secret as it is the status quo no one has the power (or desire) to change.

That said, are there actually specific, dedicated lobbying groups in Dresden actively fighting for reconstructions and against developments like Prager Strasse?
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Old January 20th, 2016, 09:14 AM   #5270
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"Gesellschaft historischer Neumarkt" could count as such a lobby group i think.
Though, theire not very powerfull as it seems...
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The GHND of Dresden is more 'powerful' now than any comparable group rooting for classical architecture/reconstructions in all of Europe though, except the Prince's Foundation in the UK perhaps.
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Old January 21st, 2016, 10:16 PM   #5272
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Hope they'll become even more powerful with time.

Anyway, I've always wondered why the Katholische Hofkirche's interior looks quite simple for a baroque Catholic church built by a king (if you can call a baroque church "simple" ) , so I did some research, and I found an original plan on Wiki (probably) made by the building's architect which shows more ornamented and richer interior. My question is, was the church built with elaborate interior that was simplified after war (like Kreuzkirche) or was it just a plan that wasn't executed (because of lack of funds or something else)? Thanks in advance.
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Old January 21st, 2016, 10:45 PM   #5273
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The Katholische Hofkirche looked austere like that even before the war. The building is a pretty faithful reconstruction inside and out. It was also one of the first if not THE first rebuild historical buiding after the war in Dresden.
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Old January 21st, 2016, 11:47 PM   #5274
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The Hofkirche was built in the core land of protestant reformation. It was a huge scandal when elector August the Strong converted to catholizism in 1697 just to became king of Poland. Because in the empire there still was the principle 'cuius regio, eius religio'. August had to denounce his right to impose his new faith on his people. And when everything had calmed down a little in 1717 and everybody was preparing for the bicentenary of the reformation, it came out that his son, the later elector Friedrich-August II. (or August III as polish king), converted to catholizism secretely already in 1712. Again a huge outcry not only among the civil society but also at the court.
Those tensions in Saxony and especially in Dresden were the main reason why the church was built such a long time after the Albertines converted. And to reduce the provocation, the church was built with an almost protestant modest interior. Though initial it was planned to decorate the vault with paintings which was deferred with the upcoming of the classicist movement and completely dropped when the 7 years war broke out.
It is kinda ironic that the Frauenkirche, which was a direct answer of the lutheran city community to the catholic Hofkirche, actually looks more catholic than the Hofkirche.
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Old January 22nd, 2016, 04:10 PM   #5275
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Thank you for your answers. The Hofkirche is definitely one of my all-time favourite churches, especially because of its spectacular baroque statues and the glimpse of Italy it brings to Dresden. It is actually very interesting to me how a protestant church, Frauenkirche, is much more elaborate and ornated than Hofkirche.
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Also, because of the local outrage about the king's catholic faith, most of the local Lutheran workmen refused to be employed to build the Hofkirche. As a result, they recruited an almost all-Italian work force of laborers and craftsmen to build the structure, which is, in part, the reason for its significant Italian-style design elements.
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The Katholische Hofkirche looked austere like that even before the war. The building is a pretty faithful reconstruction inside and out. It was also one of the first if not THE first rebuild historical buiding after the war in Dresden.
Here's a historical photo of the church

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You're being contrary just to be contrary, again. Of course reconstructions can be built accurately even if the street, open space, and adjacent structure grids surrounding them is altered a few feet here and there.
Either accurate, or "altered".

Either German quality, or cheap fake.

Dresden deserves the former.
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Old January 26th, 2016, 11:41 AM   #5279
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In the old Postcard from our gallery with old churches in Dresden (Sophienkirche/Josephinenstift/Kreuzkirche etc.) above you can see the "Loge" for the royal family - destroyed in 1945. In my opinion, there are two reasons why the church looked as it looked: first - there wasn't enough money (Frauenkirche = 288,000 Reichstaler, Hofkirche = more than 900,000 Reichtstaler...); second - the new feeling for classicism.
Return to the Neumarkt: We have a new Panorama from the belvedere onthe roof of the Regimentshaus. The next three panos I will publish at the end of the week; they will show the court of the Palais Hoym...

One important request: If you post a picture from Arstempano, please embed a link to the respective gallery of Arstempano!

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Old January 30th, 2016, 10:43 AM   #5280
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DIENSTAG, 26. JANUAR 2016 Neumarkt | Quartier VII/2









http://www.bausituation-dresden.de/2...tier-vii2.html
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