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Old April 4th, 2016, 11:05 PM   #5381
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I've always wondered why the ornaments on some renovated buildings in Neustadt were painted, it looked like something almost unique for Dresden, especially since there are so many buildings in the city that use that technique (although I've seen it in other places, as well). Knowing the cause of it, it makes you think whether it would be interesting to add real, stone ornaments now, during renovation or reconstruction, but I guess it would rather be a controversial move.
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These plain and just painted facades looked like this also in the late baroque era. It's called "Hungerbarock" (hunger baroque) and is typical for Dresden and Saxony after Prussian forces bombed and occupied Dresden in the Seven Years War (1756–1763). When they rebuild the city back then they were just being "economic". So it's a good example for historical accuracy again.
It's not unique to Dresden and Saxony, though. I've seen it all across Germany. I wonder if it was for the same reasons?

I went to boarding school in southern Germany and I remember finding it very odd when I first arrived that the castle where the school is located had all it's facade details painted on instead of plaster or stone.


http://www.bodensee-linzgau.de/uploa..._Praelatur.jpg


https://media.holidaycheck.com/data/...1156048107.jpg


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...m_Panorama.jpg


PS: It's Schloss Salem in Baden-Württemberg on the Bodensee, by the way.
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Old April 5th, 2016, 12:22 AM   #5382
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i love it!!! germany should do more reconstructions in the country!
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Old April 18th, 2016, 12:02 PM   #5383
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Here you can go around over the "Neumarkt" with the trees on the place, where standing the "gewandhaus" (destroyed 1791). Here the link to the pano in the near of Martin Luther Monument.





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Old April 18th, 2016, 02:58 PM   #5384
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When will they finish the rest? In one or two years?!?
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Old April 18th, 2016, 07:48 PM   #5385
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Q VII.2 = summer/autumn 2016
Q III.2 = now the architects are working / 2017/18 ?
Frieseneck = 99.5% finish
Q VI = now the architects are working / beginning 2016?
Q VII.1 = ???
Hotel Stadt Rom = ???
Q V.1 = ???
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Old April 18th, 2016, 07:59 PM   #5386
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Have they decided what will be built at the Quartier III/2, mix of modern and reconstructions or just reconstructions?
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Old April 19th, 2016, 03:55 PM   #5387
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^ Afaik this is still the status for Quartier III/2, though some things might change (I esp. hope for Palais Riesch):

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If you make the quite expensive decision to reconstruct baroque buildings, you have to compromise somewhere... I think the gardens won't be impossible in the future, not sure they'd be enjoyable in this constellation though. Anyway, I'm more than happy about the Hoym's courtyard.

This is what the proposed Quartier III-2 looks like from above in the plans:


/by CG-Gruppe


And in general the investor CG-Gruppe went for rather sensible and modest designs for the buildings at Quartier III-2 that won't be reconstructed, which can be seen here - actually it's much more than we all hoped for at this spot (even some mild attempts at historicising facades):

http://www.dnn.de/Dresden/Fotostreck...2#n13732759-p1

And here: http://www.stadtbild-deutschland.org...596#post212596


Another overview model here, with focus on Palais Hoym (showing a situation before the Police HQ was built):


Source: http://www.arstempano.de/typo3temp/pics/c158cc22cf.jpg

More impressions:

At Rampische Strasse. We all root for Palais Riesch to come back there, the "backside" of Palais Hoym.


R4 is a reconstruction, R2 to the right is a historicising new design by Pfau Architekten from Dresden (call me amazed)!


At Landhausstrasse.


L3 is a reconstruction, the rest are filler designs.


I'm a little worried about L15 there, clashing so badly with the neo-renaissance Police HQ next door.
They should modify this design or create another one.

But of course then there's the magnificent, the magic Palais Hoym, filling a large swathe of the whole block!















Additional courtyard renders three posts before this one.

All from: CG-Gruppe / http://www.dnn.de/Dresden/Fotostreck...2#n13732759-p1


Another good thing about all this is, that it's all individual facades and actual single buildings.
So two or more facades aren't combined to get more floorspace out of it, like in some other quarters (QI and QII, partly). And that means, reconstructions of further single facades are much easier to accomplish in the future, probably even without tearing down a building, just changing the facades.
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Old April 19th, 2016, 04:09 PM   #5388
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IMO, there are far too many modern buildings, and, as it seems, we're getting only a couple of reconstructed buildings. Hope something will change soon, as this is one of the most important Quartiers of the Neumarkt project.
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Old April 19th, 2016, 08:38 PM   #5389
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More pictures (28) and infos over the palais Hoym you can find in our gallery on arstempano. The rooms inside would have in the future a similar groundplan, but a new design. The Palais Riesch is definitly not coming (in german - DNN from today)

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Part of reconstruction the area should be a historic reverence to the landscape as well. As much as I am a tree-lover, I do not like the heavy stand of trees in in front of Quartier 6 as shown in the rendering. Awful. Just awful. At least with trees, my chain saw could suddenly go wild one night.
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Old April 20th, 2016, 11:18 AM   #5391
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but the trees on the forme place from the gewandhaus are much better than this: 1.Prize Gewandhaus
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Yes, Sweden wasn't part of any of the world wars, but I would like to quote an american tourist in Stockholm in 70s asked his swedish guide:
-So who did bomb your City during the war? The British or the germans?
-Neither of them, we did it ourself.

The swedish government during the 50s-70s thought that the Swedish cities were unmodern and should be fit for the Car. Therefore was the city centre of almost all Swedish cities demolished, ...
Well, you could say the same thing with great parts of american city centers, for example Cincinnati :
https://www.google.fr/search?q=cinci...DIBEcQ_AUIBigB
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All in all, that is VERY good news. If the finished project looks anything like the CG mock-ups, I'd call it a 'win' for Dresden.

By 'filler designs', do you mean that the actual design of each lot is to be determined at a later date?
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Here you can see Hotel Stadt Rom and you can go around over click of the Hotspots. But in the moment is no time for rebuilt to say... A big Problem is the Building between Neumarkt and Wilsdruffer Straße

Link Pano in front of Hotel Stadt Rom / Neumarkt
Link Pano Wilsdruffer Straße







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Yes, Wilsdruffer Strasse is a mess. The whole area north of it should be reconstructed; to do so with 80% and leave the rest makes no sense.

We need this gem, too:

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Yes, Wilsdruffer Strasse is a mess. The whole area north of it should be reconstructed; to do so with 80% and leave the rest makes no sense.

We need this gem, too:
Feel free to buy the plot and build what you want. This is not communism, so don't expect somebody else/ the state to do what you want.
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The city often does as much as it can to prevent good results at and around Neumarkt.
So we shouldn't expect something like this even if he'd buy the plot.
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The city often does as much as it can to prevent good results at and around Neumarkt.
So we shouldn't expect something like this even if he'd buy the plot.
Well, they are free to do whatever they want with the city they're rulling, but they shouldn't be surprised once they realise Dresden is just one of many cities in the world that has a couple of great attractions, but nothing more. Seriously, even though Dresden is one of world's largest treasuries of art, it's still not recognised by many people in the world. For instance, I showed my sister a photo of Dresden's skyline, probably the best historical skyline in Europe (together with Prague), but she didn't recognise it. At first, I thought it's because she's not interested in architecture or something like that, but then I then it came to me it's because Dresden is not promoted that much as a tourist centre, it's only known to the world as "the city that was destroyed during the WW2" and I think it's just sad, especially since we're bombed with cities like London, Paris, Berlin, Vienna or Prague, and we all know Dresden shouldn't be behind them. Of course, situation is getting better and the city actually attracts many tourists nowadays, but one can't expect millions more to flock to a city with amazing museums and galleries, and then wander around a commieblock area or an area with modern, interchangeable architecture. An average tourist that's not interested in art, but rather in just seeing it for the sake of seeing it, will rather go to some other city where he can have the whole experience. The world has turned into a huge arena where everyone wants to be "The next big thing", and those that don't want to adapt to attract attention, as sad as it is, will fall into obscurity.
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Feel free to buy the plot and build what you want. This is not communism, so don't expect somebody else/ the state to do what you want.
I don't agree. Yes, sometimes it's the owner that decides what should be built - but sometimes it's the citizens too. I think the inner core should be "old" architecture. Then the modern architecture can be built 500 metres away.
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Well, they are free to do whatever they want with the city they're rulling, but they shouldn't be surprised once they realise Dresden is just one of many cities in the world that has a couple of great attractions, but nothing more. Seriously, even though Dresden is one of world's largest treasuries of art, it's still not recognised by many people in the world. For instance, I showed my sister a photo of Dresden's skyline, probably the best historical skyline in Europe (together with Prague), but she didn't recognise it. At first, I thought it's because she's not interested in architecture or something like that, but then I then it came to me it's because Dresden is not promoted that much as a tourist centre, it's only known to the world as "the city that was destroyed during the WW2" and I think it's just sad, especially since we're bombed with cities like London, Paris, Berlin, Vienna or Prague, and we all know Dresden shouldn't be behind them. Of course, situation is getting better and the city actually attracts many tourists nowadays, but one can't expect millions more to flock to a city with amazing museums and galleries, and then wander around a commieblock area or an area with modern, interchangeable architecture. An average tourist that's not interested in art, but rather in just seeing it for the sake of seeing it, will rather go to some other city where he can have the whole experience. The world has turned into a huge arena where everyone wants to be "The next big thing", and those that don't want to adapt to attract attention, as sad as it is, will fall into obscurity.
To be honest, I think Dresden is usually seen as a one-day stop between Prague and Berlin by most tourists, which is definitely an improvement compared to the past
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