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Old July 8th, 2016, 05:13 PM   #5501
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[B]I did some research and apparently the two gray buildings where renaissance originally.
Not apparently, they definitely were renaissance buildings. In this part of the Altstadt many renaissance Buildings had survived...until 1945. But now many renaissance buildings have been reconstructed again. For example the Schütz Residenz, the Trierisches Haus (named after my home town) or the Boesesches Haus.
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Old July 14th, 2016, 11:58 PM   #5502
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It seems there were renaissance features on the two houses to the left of the Dinglingerhaus at one point.

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Old July 15th, 2016, 12:03 PM   #5503
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at some point in time, they probably did some rebuilding at those buildings.
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Old July 15th, 2016, 06:53 PM   #5504
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Q VII/2 unveiling! Yay!

The strip of Quartier VII/2 continues!











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Old July 15th, 2016, 07:20 PM   #5505
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This Quartier looks very beautiful, I hope that the rest of it will be as charming as the part we can see now.

Also, I don't know if it's just me, but recent reconstructions look much more natural than old ones, like old buildings that were renovated not long ago. I don't think that older reconstructions are "fake" or anything, but they look much more "perfect", something I thought doesn't bother me until I saw new ones, with their slightly imperfect ornaments and other little things that add charm and that "historical touch" to them. Just compare Quartier I or IV with this one and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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Old July 15th, 2016, 08:36 PM   #5506
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Old July 17th, 2016, 10:52 AM   #5507
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Here we can see again very well that the historic Neumarkt wasn't perfect either. It was pretty rundown and shabby throughout the 19th and early 20th century actually. Buildings' ornamentation was missing and/or they were converted from their original baroque or renaissance look. The state of the reconstructed Neumarkt is an ideal that probably never existed.
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Old July 17th, 2016, 11:15 AM   #5508
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Agree, and on top all the cheap looking advertisements. The reconstruction tend to be much more classy in this regard.
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Between 1679 and 1839 the two buildings where remodeled to baroque. After that, the buildings where redone in renaissance.


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The chimneys are still missing


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At least the gutters are not blocking the ornaments. Well done




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Old July 18th, 2016, 06:17 PM   #5510
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What is going on with the left end of the row, facing the Kulturpalast?
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Old July 18th, 2016, 11:35 PM   #5511
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What is going on with the left end of the row, facing the Kulturpalast?
Please don't ask...

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Old July 19th, 2016, 03:26 AM   #5512
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What's so bad? Yes, there are modern buildings but what else should be there? Before the war there were no street to the left, it was the prolongation of the quarter to the spot occupied by the Kulturpalast now. So there were no old structures which could have been recreated, building something modestly modern is the only option. By the way this part won't be visible from the square as soon as Quartier VI is finished.
So there's no reason to cry. Nice gif, though.
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Old July 19th, 2016, 12:44 PM   #5514
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What's so bad? Yes, there are modern buildings but what else should be there? Before the war there were no street to the left, it was the prolongation of the quarter to the spot occupied by the Kulturpalast now. So there were no old structures which could have been recreated, building something modestly modern is the only option. By the way this part won't be visible from the square as soon as Quartier VI is finished.
So there's no reason to cry. Nice gif, though.
There are hundreds of other options as opposed to the modernist provocation we are getting now:



What a beauty...:



The architect Nöfer proves that if there is a will you can also design a tradtional looking building, that fits right in it's surroundings and that doesn't ruin the look of a whole block:

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Well, I agree that the modern buildings could've been waaaay better, but you also have to consider the fact that the Nöfer's building is the first traditionalist new building of the whole Neumarkt project, so we should be happy and hope it becomes a practice.

Also, are there plans to reconstruct the Belvedere Palace (or whatever it was) and if there are, which one as there were four on the site? I think it would be a nice addition to the city's skyline.
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Old July 20th, 2016, 06:04 AM   #5516
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Well, I agree that the modern buildings could've been waaaay better, but you also have to consider the fact that the Nöfer's building is the first traditionalist new building of the whole Neumarkt project, so we should be happy and hope it becomes a practice.
That is actually not true. There are a couple of traditionalist new buildings. For example the orange house in the middle here:



Also the corner building here. It is not a faithful reconstruction but a fantasy product that never looked liked this and that was just half as big as it is today:



Last but not least, the Neumarkt rebuilding is already nearly finished. There is actually just two more smaller quarters in the second row to rebuild. Everything else is either already build or already in planning. So hardly anymore chances for more traditionalist architecture.
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The architect Nöfer proves that if there is a will you can also design a tradtional looking building, that fits right in it's surroundings and that doesn't ruin the look of a whole block:

By the way, I'm sorry if I missed the discussion but what was the reason not to rebuild the Palais Riesch as it used to be?
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Old July 20th, 2016, 01:10 PM   #5518
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That is actually not true. There are a couple of traditionalist new buildings. For example the orange house in the middle here:

My bad, I didn't know this was a new building, it looks very traditional, I'd always just assumed it was a reconstruction. Job well done, architect!

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Also the corner building here. It is not a faithful reconstruction but a fantasy product that never looked liked this and that was just half as big as it is today:

I actually knew this building was extended, and to be honest, I don't think it was a smart decision. A quite big Neo-Renaissance corner building in a predominantly Baroque square never really worked for me, it just sticks out somehow.

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Last but not least, the Neumarkt rebuilding is already nearly finished. There is actually just two more smaller quarters in the second row to rebuild. Everything else is either already build or already in planning. So hardly anymore chances for more traditionalist architecture.
I agree with you, but the Nöfer's building wasn't the first design for that plot, it changed later, so if GHND is pushy enough, we may see the same thing happening at other quarters. I'll remain hopeful.
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Old July 20th, 2016, 03:43 PM   #5519
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Clarification of terms please....

Are you referring to "traditional" architecture as any style of building as long as the structure is rebuild with the appearance of the pre 1945 property?
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I actually knew this building was extended, and to be honest, I don't think it was a smart decision. A quite big Neo-Renaissance corner building in a predominantly Baroque square never really worked for me, it just sticks out somehow.
Well, then you won't be a fan of this upcoming building, the "Au Petit Bazar":



What you might dislike even more, that it too will be some sort of fantasy product. Some people already got information that Günter Blobel, who is going to build this house as a private investor, does not intend to make a faithful reconstruction. He will apparently make changes to it's height, storeys and roof. There's unfortunately no visualization yet.
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