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Old October 4th, 2016, 08:52 PM   #5601
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Dresden's reconstruction is truly amazing... If onlly it was done in more places!
Dresden's reconstruction is truly amazing... If they used materials of better quality, then maybe Dresden wouldn't have lost its UNESCO world heritage status, in my opinion.
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Old October 4th, 2016, 09:32 PM   #5602
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Dresden's reconstruction is truly amazing... If they used materials of better quality, then maybe Dresden wouldn't have lost its UNESCO world heritage status, in my opinion.
What are you talking about?

1) Dresden uses building materials that are of perfectly fine quality. This is Germany after all where everything is regulated to hell and back.
2) The Elbe Valley lost it's UNESCO status because of the modern Waldschlösschen Bridge that disturbed the historic valley.
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Old October 4th, 2016, 10:40 PM   #5603
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Dresden is such a beauty. By the way, a bike tour in summer from Dresden to Leipzig is one of East Germany's most pleasant rides.
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Old October 4th, 2016, 10:42 PM   #5604
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"Architecture lover" clueless as ever, sorry I just can't hold back..
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Old October 4th, 2016, 10:54 PM   #5605
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"Architecture lover" clueless as ever, sorry I just can't hold back..
Oh nooooo, what have you done, now we'll have, like, three pages of insults and butthurting...
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Old October 4th, 2016, 11:45 PM   #5606
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Isn't skyscrapecity a lovely place?...you know... a place where architecture lover is the one that uses insults three long pages, although I don't remember calling someone bitter, or butthurt, or suggesting that he/she might have severe issues, or clueless... moreover it's the way other people express themselves.
I usually speak about quality and especially materials, some people over here say they respect historical buildings, or whatever, but they would love precast concrete as facade material, instead of real limestone, or maybe they wouldn't be that impressed, but they certainly wouldn't mind if it's precast, or real stone, yet they still try to convince us how much they like and respect classicism, or stuff. (While writing about precast concrete used as a facade material I don't refer to Dresden)
So there seem to be so many differences between us, but this one is the primary one, maybe you get offended because of your willing to accept everything that tries to sell as classic, and that doesn't seem to be a problem of mine.
Dresden's building presented over here, don't seem very relevant to me and I've already said what's the reason behind my opinion in some other posts over here and I am not willing to repeat those posts, again.
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Old October 5th, 2016, 12:06 AM   #5607
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This is Germany after all where everything is regulated to hell and back.
Is that supposed to mean anything at all to me? Please explain.
Haven't you heard what happened with Volkswagen last year?
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The best construction materials and most solid buildings used in Germany was around 1900. Starting in the 1920`s and especially after the 1950`s the Quality went down. Way down. Rock bottom was hit in Germany in the early 1980`s. One Condo of 100 sq 2 with 2.50m high ceilings in the 2. floor build in 1980 required the same amount of heating fuel as 8 condos of 100 sq m and 2.50m high, 2nd floor condos build 1918.

Of course, kitchen cabinets are better today and we have power. But the maintenance used to be cheaper. Concrete in Germany and elsewhere does not live long, due to the sand used. The roman Empire used volcanic ash. We can not, because we do not have enough ash.
Concrete cracks and is a horrible insulator. The world will also run out of cheap usable sand in the near future. Don`t laugh. Most sands have rounded grains and are useless, until cracked with sharp edges. In Germany, and we talk Germany here, the builders guild stated a year ago that the time of using concrete in many types of projects will cease to end. It is too much to insulate with new regulations that will come out shortly. Also fixing the cracks in the 60`s and 70`s buildings becomes just too much of a burden, because the 80`s and 90`s coming already with major damages.

I do live here in Canada and the history of construction quality here is different. However, The materials used in the 1950 - 1990`s used here where of lower quality, too.
In the 1890`s for example, instead of thick beams, the economy switched to thin lumbers. However, it is different from country to country and weather zones as well as local traditions have an effect.
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Old October 5th, 2016, 05:35 AM   #5609
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Dear "Architecture lover", Erbse is absolutely right, you are clueless...
First you claimed Dresden lost it's UNESCO status because of building materials, which is absolute nonsense, then you spout this nonsense:

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...some people over here say they respect historical buildings, or whatever, but they would love precast concrete as facade material, instead of real limestone, or maybe they wouldn't be that impressed, but they certainly wouldn't mind if it's precast, or real stone, yet they still try to convince us how much they like and respect classicism, or stuff...
1) There is no precast concrete used on Neumarkt but it is cast on site. Also often used are usual bricks or a mix of both materials.

2) Nothing is wrong with the quality of either material.

3) Precast concrete or concrete in general is not ever used as facade material for reconstructions.

4) Limestone is also very seldomely used for facade material for the simple reason that traditionally (since hundreds of years) it is stucco that is used to clad the facades and sculpt the ornamentation in Dresden and the wider area.

5) It is not classicism but baroque that is dominating the Neumarkt and it's reconstructions. The next prevalent style would be renaissance and after that historicism.

And now please don't act surprised or as the victim here when you annoy people by coming into an orderly thread, spreading untruths and disturbances.
Also, please take it as great favor that I actually took the time to help you out with your lack of knowledge regarding Dresden and the Neumarkt, explaining things to you. You are welcome.
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Old October 5th, 2016, 09:45 AM   #5610
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Old October 5th, 2016, 11:42 AM   #5611
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@Tiaren Why did you bother to explain something that I already knew. Did you even read the whole post from some user before reply, or you just hurry to try and prove someone 'wrong'.
Here I'll quote myself:
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(While writing about precast concrete used as a facade material I don't refer to Dresden)
And please answer these questions:
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Is that supposed to mean anything at all to me? Please explain.
Haven't you heard what happened with Volkswagen last year?
since every time I express a thinking on this thread you just constantly repeat this:
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Always by people who have just no clue.
This is Germany! So how are these buildings fake?
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This is Germany after all where everything is regulated to hell and back.
Thank you for your insightful thoughts, and about the things I didn't knew, I feel illuminated.

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Old October 5th, 2016, 12:33 PM   #5612
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Old October 5th, 2016, 12:47 PM   #5613
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Oh I get it. Sorry, I won't bother anymore, continue with the 'reconstructions', or more precisely imitations of renaissance villas, first built in Italy. I understand the generic nature is limited somewhere.

By the way I'm still in love with these chimneys.
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Old October 5th, 2016, 01:35 PM   #5614
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"Imitations of renaissance villas", gimme a break

Seriously, stop trolling.
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Old October 5th, 2016, 01:38 PM   #5615
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Oh I get it. Sorry, I won't bother anymore, continue with the 'reconstructions', or more precisely imitations of renaissance villas, first built in Italy. I understand the generic nature is limited somewhere.
See, you still keep on going spouting absolute nonsense? How are baroque townhouses imitations of Italian renaissance villas? Do you even know what "villa" means? It is the exact opposite of a townhouse.

Here, let this time Wikipedia educate you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa#Italian_Renaissance

And now I am not bothering with you anymore. Because you simply must be a trolling account. How can an "architecture lover" actually know nothing about architecture?

Edit: Now I remember who you are! You were they guy that was also rambling nonsense (Northern Europeans not being able to build "proper buildings" and something incomprehensible about Croatia and Romanesque architecture) for pages in the Berlin City Palace thread and who got already warned by a moderator. Alright, I just reported you again.

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Old October 5th, 2016, 02:19 PM   #5616
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Why? We are just discussing sugar.
Imagine if I reported every single person saying that I'm bitter, butthurt, clueless, or having severe issues just because I share different opinion. I agree tho, it shall be good for a moderator to read this whole page and see who has arguments about materials and who has insults, and this is Germany! as an argument.

Back to the discussion, I have a question: weren't there any buildings modeled after Italian originals in Dresden? I remember reading something like that, if I am wrong please tell me, I am all for a constructive discussion, ready to be enlighten once again, and who knows maybe I'll start to like the chimneys, for real, therefore I'll deserve to call myself Architecture lover.
Imagine if I reported people for saying that Croatian culture gave Dubrovnik, which doesn't seem to be true, read a book, maybe you'll learn which culture gave Dubrovnik.
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Nationalist cultural declarations won't take us further, anyway. Let's just skip that, we've had loads of pages of such BS already. Thanks.
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Old October 5th, 2016, 02:41 PM   #5618
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Well, I am not the one saying those things, remember? I only react when I see nonsense and spreading information far from the actual truth, claimed as a fact.
Who knows, maybe instead of getting involved in discussion I should just start reporting, too.
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Old October 5th, 2016, 03:38 PM   #5619
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What was your actual point again?
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Old October 5th, 2016, 03:44 PM   #5620
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My point was that materials of better quality should be used, the overall impression I have about the buildings is that they look somehow artificial. Especially the attics, there seem to be too many windows on the roofs.
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