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Old October 5th, 2016, 04:04 PM   #5621
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You really love mentioning one word or sentence as some sort of an argument, even when someone that actually said those words confessed their mistake. You don't need to teach me the history of my own country, I know that Dubrovnik architecturally doesn't have almost any connection with the country it is located in now. It was just (almost) a regular city-state that built buildings in styles that were modern back then in other parts of Europe. You should check the context of the whole post and the posts after that, but that would leave you without something to drag through various threads, just to stir an argument where there is no need for it. You've done it in both 2WTC and 3WTC threads, you've done it in Berlin's Stadtschloss thread and now here. I know what I am, and that's definitely not a nationalist. I quite love making fun of my country and I plan to continue doing that until I die. That means I don't address various things and other people's accomplishments as "mine" or "Croatian" just because it's located here now. Now, I would really love if you'd stop mentioning or denouncing me across the forum for something that was more than a year ago and for which I myself said it came out wrongly. I really hope this is the last time I need to go OT to explain things that were already explained.

To get back to the topic, you do know the difference between Baroque and Renaissance, right? If you do, explain to me, what on Earth those newly-reconstructed buildings in Dresden have with Italian Renaissance villas? I mean, that's just trolling at its finest. Don't degrade someone's success and achievements just because you don't like it. Neumarkt's reconstruction is probably one of the best and largest reconstructions in the last few decades. There are some minor setbacks and imperfections, but overall it is a great success for European architecture. Another thing, Germany is known for its strict and fair rules and laws all across the world. That's why Tiaren said it twice, because developers can't put Skopje-esque building there and call it a reconstruction. There is some serious planning and developing behind every single building and there are a lot of people that are trying to make those buildings as good and authentic as they can be. Oh, and to answer your question about palaces modelled after the Italian ones, I don't know if there were any such in Dresden, but there are 3 palaces in Potsdam that were modelled after some Italian ones. Those were reconstructed and you can check the thread here.
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Old October 5th, 2016, 04:21 PM   #5622
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My point was that materials of better quality should be used, the overall impression I have about the buildings is that they look somehow artificial. Especially the attics, there seem to be too many windows on the roofs.
Well, they are new buildings after all. The attics have always been used and therefore had always windows. I have no doubt that their number and style changed from time to time but the situation we see from Jüdenhof is pretty accurate.
Regarding the used material it varys from project to project. The recent project (Quartier VII/2) is one of the best regarding to that.
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Old October 16th, 2016, 12:41 PM   #5623
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Old November 11th, 2016, 06:54 PM   #5624
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I love the reconstructions in Dresden but this corner building is terrible:



How could they let this happen, it ruins the rest completely
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Old November 12th, 2016, 02:29 AM   #5625
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dont worry too much, it will be hidden in a couple of years behind another block
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Old November 13th, 2016, 05:16 PM   #5626
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Yeah, what you see there will be a narrow alley soon. So you won't have much of an idea there's this shoebox at the end of the alley.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 12:47 PM   #5627
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Wow! The amount of reconstruction is staggering, and Dresden is just beautiful! Is there a plan to reconstruct the entire historic center? Per my readings on other sites much of Dresden was replaced with commie blocks, is this true?
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Old November 15th, 2016, 06:18 PM   #5628
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I love the reconstructions in Dresden but this corner building is terrible:



How could they let this happen, it ruins the rest completely
Hideous. It finds its way into everything. Modernism is quite possibly the worst thing to ever happen to our civilisation.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 06:52 PM   #5629
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I believe modern and traditional architecture can sit side by side but that corner building has seriously misunderstood all the proportions, scale and mass of the adjacent buildings. Shocking piece of architecture it is. How could they get it so wrong, and more importantly how could it have been allowed to even get to the construction stage?
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Old November 15th, 2016, 07:05 PM   #5630
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I'm not a hater of modern architecture, there are far too many modern buildings I just adore, but this one has to be the ugliest piece of sh*t I have ever seen in my life. It's just wrong, no matter whether it stands next to a Baroque palace or a commieblock. It's just stupid, nothing more and nothing less. I would seriously like to know what people of Dresden think of its presence there, and what do they think of Neumarkt's reconstruction in general, as I think it hasn't been discussed here.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 07:30 PM   #5631
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I love that slender corner modern building. I would live in the apartment and enjoy the beautiful restaurant downstairs. It is a welcome addition to the corner which will work well with the façade of Kulturpalast. It will be a lovely narrower street with a nice urban modern feel and yet at a human scale. I think it is wonderful.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 07:53 PM   #5632
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The owner refused to build something like this. He came forward on the German Dresden Forum and presented his models. He and his family wanted to build in the "Reform Style" common in Germany in the 1920`s. The corner in light green/white with Loggias towards Neumarkt and the other build in Yellow. No reconstructions but historic for his customers and market demand. He showed beautiful pictures.
The city of Dresden is against neo-historic buildings or a higher number of re-constructions. So the city`s design-committee for the Neumarkt told him that they can not force him the build Bauhaus destructive, but they can delay the whole project. I is a blackmail. Family Kimmerle gave in and build this instead. But it is hard to promote the building. The tenant in the ground floor, for example, is putting a extreme neo historic interior in;-0 to piss of the committee.
Btw: There is pressure coming from the Federal Government to discontinue the Neumarkt Design committee. There may be an investigation for misconduct of power coming soon.

Unfortunate Mr. Kimmerle deleted his planned buildings on APH Forum. Does anyone (please user Arstempano?!) has the original pictures of the alternative in Reform Style? Reform Style is colorful, simple with a touch of Baroque.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 08:08 PM   #5633
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Lets have a look at the rebuild of the former water pump station called "Saloppe" Condos will be made in the "Saloppe". Half of the build was missing. Towers where missing. Lucky for us, no Neumarkt design committee in this part of town!!!

The color will change from painted orange to original Klinker brick red




















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Old November 15th, 2016, 09:45 PM   #5634
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Interresting development, but I would have some concerns in living just within the floodplain of Elbe river.
What was the situation of the site during the floods in 2002?
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Old November 15th, 2016, 11:56 PM   #5635
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Hideous. It finds its way into everything. Modernism is quite possibly the worst thing to ever happen to our civilisation.
Modernism has spanned nearly a century and included dozens of different movements. The house pictured is just shoddy work.
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Old November 16th, 2016, 12:42 PM   #5636
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Like roughly 95% of "modernism" is "shoddy work", sadly.

Especially when not built solitary, but intended to work in the urban context, which it rarely does. Examples from across the world are evident, and so are the examples from Dresden since the mid of the 20th century.
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I think that is why the Neue National Galerie Museum in Berlin seems to work. It's on its own and does not conflict/compete with anything near it, as it is surrounded by landscape and access.
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Old November 16th, 2016, 07:35 PM   #5638
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They seem to have designed the building with too much emphasis on a blank bulky facade for some reason and it doesn't work. Its clashes to much with the decorative appearance of the other buildings in the terrace. I feel it would have benefited from more glazing to give it a more lighter appearance in a more regular formation as opposed to the staggered window formation. They could have created a clever comptemporay design that was sympathetic to the other buildings in the terrace with a bit of thought.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 05:56 AM   #5639
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Lets have a look at the rebuild of the former water pump station called "Saloppe" Condos will be made in the "Saloppe".
Lol how did they come up with such a name? in French, that word... kinda has a different meaning
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Old November 17th, 2016, 12:09 PM   #5640
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I love the reconstructions in Dresden but this corner building is terrible:



How could they let this happen, it ruins the rest completely
Does anyone know when the block to the left will be constructed?
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