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Old November 17th, 2016, 12:33 PM   #5641
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Lol how did they come up with such a name? in French, that word... kinda has a different meaning
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Der Name Saloppe leitet sich ab von chalupka. Es bedeutet auf hochdeutsch etwa „Hütte“ oder „Bude“ und war seit der Zeit der Befreiungskriege die Bezeichnung der damals in der Umgebung anwesenden russischen Soldaten für ein einfaches Wirtshaus in der Nachbarschaft des heutigen Wasserwerks.[9] Diese Bezeichnung wurde, da von der deutschsprachigen Bevölkerung nicht korrekt verstanden, im Laufe der Jahre über Schaluppe zur heutigen Form verfälscht[10] und schließlich von der Schankwirtschaft auf das Wasserwerk an der Saloppe übertragen.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasserwerk_Saloppe

So in short, the name "Saloppe" derives from the slavic word "chalupka" or "chalupa" which means a poorly build wooden house. Apparently russian soldiers stationed here during the napoleonic wars gave that name to a nearby tavern. As the Germans did not know the word, they made "Saloppe" out of it. When the pump station was built, the name was assigned to it.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 03:28 AM   #5642
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Hello everyone. There has been a huge public meeting about the next reconstructions at Neumarkt and the Neustadt side. People, investors and the city had a evening meeting with debate and ideas.

First the project # VI from the developer Patrizia Immobilien AG




The public and the developer, like other developers before him criticized the city's push for Bauhaus architecture. The city planning called for a widening of the road, witch cuts into the rebuild of the "Chiaponische Haus" at the corner. The investor insisted to rebuild, because of the demand for one and the overall Neumarkt project second. Some officials demanding to drop the rebuild, because of the "fake" proportions of the plot, caused by themselves!
The public but more importantly the former major of Dresden and former city council staff accused the current city council in bright daylight to sabotage the project.
The city council stated that that is not the case, of course. The city just is fallowing rules and regulations. sic!

Anyhow, This is the projects first design. People criticized the color of the roof. Many people also like to see the folded Mansard Roof. The Erker in the middle (Very important in Baroque) is now on the side. One axis of the building has been scraped and the house is therefore not as wide. The investor likes to have the whole street in original Baroque like his customers do.




This is what the Re-build Neumarkt society (called GHND) likes to see:


The other project is the rebuild of the "Narrenhausl" on the othe riverside in Neustadt

The city has no plan for the whole area and therefore it could take three to five or six years before something could be build. Some government officials call the process for way too long. Mostly the far left is worried that fast approval to build could cost a construction boom on other plots at the river front that could not be managed by the city (serious). They are also worried as well, that people could crash into the building that kind of close to the street. (!) (The bridge was widened around the year 1900 and the building was kept with a little more narrow walkway until `45) In fact, the car lanes would be undisturbed but the walkway would need to be made more narrow. In the worst case, pedestrians would have to change the street side into the traffic!!!!. Oh NO, we are doomed?!

Last but not least: The project Quarter V/1 by developer KIB

source: KIB

The city`s design committee loves it, well, they preferred flat roofs. Those ones here are partly flat. The investor likes to build. The city approved the construction right away(sic!) But the investor has trouble finding tenants. The neighbors are running against it (unfit for that plot) The Neumarkt association doesn't likes it and the citizens are that kind against it, that the investor did not show up for that reason at the meeting to defend his build! Well, what does that tells us? Anyway, construction will not start anytime soon. The neighbor and GHND fighting by collecting signatures, because they say that every investor should add at least one reconstruction to the Neumarkt and not just benefit from it. Right so.
In the meeting it was clear: City against everyone, included former major. Except investor "KIB". They are known for square boxes.
The "Moritz Haus"


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Old November 19th, 2016, 04:45 PM   #5643
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It sounds like Dresden needs a new government. This sabotage based purely on ideological grounds is madness.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 04:59 PM   #5644
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Thanks for the update The Eagle! I fail to understand this insistence on injecting modernism in the rebuild of Dresden by the city government. Why, given this unique opportunity to recreate the city, would anyone want to make Dresden look like every other city. The market seems to be there for baroque buildings, Oh yes, now I remember lefties don't like the market!
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Old November 19th, 2016, 05:32 PM   #5645
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don't generalize too much, though. It's usually only the fringe left that tries to hinder reconstructions. Often it's architects that are lobbying against reconstructions.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 08:58 PM   #5646
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About the KIB project:


This is the location. Some of you may not know the location. There it is:


This is the "new" design. The old KIB design was skipped 2011

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The GHND had a poll. 2160 people answered the question and selected between three designs. The 1st design from KIB (shown above) was chosen by 1%.
A modern design by GHND got 6% and the historic design of two houses plus the rebuild of the "Gutbiersche Haus became the rest of 93% of the voices.


The Gutbiersche Haus by Neumarkt rebuild association GHND







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Old November 19th, 2016, 09:32 PM   #5647
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Here you have the Link to the pano in the frauenstraße with the original Chiapponisches Haus (Inside the "Platzhalter/Placeholder). In the Infocard from the Chiapponische Haus you have more pictures und Infos.
The Gutbiersche Haus doesnt exist in the 3D-Modell because is was located on the Galeriestraße today. In the Infocard from the Chiapponische Haus you have more pictures und Infos.

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Old November 19th, 2016, 10:50 PM   #5648
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I think it's not the mayor's fault that Neumarkt is getting outdated shoeboxes, poor man can't be accused of stupidity and lack of taste. It's those 93% that would like to see their city take its reputation of one of the world's most beautiful cities back, but aren't interested in actually doing anything to help it. Small protests in front of the City Hall every few days would show the mayor what the people of Dresden want and need.
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Old November 20th, 2016, 11:47 AM   #5649
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Germans don't protest, they just complain.
The only reason they get out to protest is if the theme is AntiFa (against fascism)...
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Old November 20th, 2016, 11:50 PM   #5650
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something is seriously wrong here. Rebuild the old buildings, damn it.
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Old November 25th, 2016, 11:06 AM   #5651
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News from Arstempano: 9.Bauticker is online with 40 Fotos from projects around the Neumarkt, Postplatz, Zwinger, Herzogin Garten and so on. Here some Exemple:











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Old November 26th, 2016, 11:18 AM   #5652
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News from the Dinglingerhaus - The roof is now more or less finish! More Pictures in the blog from arstempano

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When will the buildings to the left be finished?
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Old November 28th, 2016, 12:47 AM   #5654
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The building on the far left looks ridiculous. Jeez, if you're going to inject modern in there at least have it relate to the historic visual fabric!
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Old November 28th, 2016, 02:43 AM   #5655
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shocked by what is proposed for some of the next reconstructions in Dresden. Having finally visited Dresden this year I can unequivocally state my support for accurate historic reconstructions, Venice Charter be damned. The facades of modern contemporary buildings just looked dead and served to only dampen the energy created by those exuberant baroque masterpieces and render the whole experience a little fake. The modern or contemporary vernacular buildings should at most play an minimal infill, contextual role whereas all corners should be historic landmarks not like above.
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Old November 30th, 2016, 02:09 PM   #5656
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Does anyone know why it is not working in the corner of Quartier VI (Eckhaus Frauenstraße / Neumarkt ,Kaufhaus La petit Bazar) ? thanks
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Works are due to start there.
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Works are due to start there.
But why is there another method?
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It will be realized by another investor, Günter Blobel.
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It will be realized by another investor, Günther Blobel.
That is really great news!
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