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Old February 22nd, 2009, 01:56 AM   #1001
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Warsaw is a good example of what they could have done in Dresden. I’m not 100% sure on this but the technique they used in Warsaw was something known as “antiqueing”. Is this right? It is a process by which the buildings are not only reconstructed as they stood before the war, but also gives their facades a patina that make them seem centuries old. In Dresden the glossy new buildings give me the initial impression of having been thrown up overnight.
Didn't they also take apart other buildings in Poland and then ship parts of them to Warsaw? I think this was discussed in one of the German forums, maybe Erbse remembers more about that discussion.

Anyway, I think adding fake patina would have been even worse. These buildings will age over time and to be honest I like the squeaky clean look. Some people in Germany are always complaining about "over-restored" old towns but I must say that I almost prefer it that way.
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 12:24 PM   #1002
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Part of the (non existant ) problem is that all we can see are black & white or photochrom pictures of old Dresden. They show up details much more than modern colour photos do.
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 05:05 PM   #1003
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Come on people, the oldest reconstructed building in Dresden is like 2 years old, and in Warsaw they are over fifty. They simply had enough time to look a bit 'aged' right now, after 50 yrs. And now, when time for renovation comes, all the renovated ones look just like all the reconstructed ones in Dresden. They simply shine and they need some time to get a bit dirty.
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 06:53 PM   #1004
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Construction of the Schlossstraße is supposed to get under way this summer (supposed to be finished in early 2011)





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Old February 22nd, 2009, 07:31 PM   #1005
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I do not understand why people criticize the 'brand new' looks of these reconstructed buildings. Why does a building need to look old and dirty to look nice? Do you think that if they weren't bombed to the ground people would not have renovated and repainted them anyway?

I applaud Dresden for this magnificent reconstruction and its transformation into the architectural masterpiece of Central European Architecture it was before the WWII bombings. It is exemplary.
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 07:33 PM   #1006
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Maybe I’m just hard to please, expecting immediate results out of solutions that must necessarily be long-term in realizing.
A few years back my parents added a copper roof onto one of the outer buildings standing in their property. With a sort of dreamy-eyed glow they spoke of how amazing the green patina will look in thirty years. Well, I am the sort of fellow that would have just purchased some re-salvaged old copper, complete with green patina, then nailed it on in the hope that it would come across as having been there longer than it really has. If people don’t ask I wont tell them. And I fully understand how this takes away from the joy of “growing old with it”. I guess I have always been the impatient type.

I just feel that at Dresden they could have cheated a bit. Just a little.

Great photos Kampflamm.
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 07:51 PM   #1007
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Thanks, but all the credit goes to these sites:

http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/

http://www.architekturforum.net/

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I just feel that at Dresden they could have cheated a bit. Just a little.
Possibly...but then again plenty of people are already opposed to reconstructions to begin with, arguing that people want to create an illusion of what Dresden looked like a 100 odd years ago. Adding old roofs probably would have supported their argument although I understand what you're saying. Once again I like the clean look though. The church below will probably have a green spire not too long from now...which I hate. I prefer the dark appearance.

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Old February 22nd, 2009, 09:51 PM   #1008
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^ Regarding the "Michel" in Hamburg (shown in your photo) I feel the same in some way. I love that dark appearance of the copper. The lantern on the Frauenkirche in Dresden is the same case for me, I like the dark, metallic appearance better there.
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Old February 27th, 2009, 04:10 PM   #1009
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Nice panos:

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Old February 28th, 2009, 10:21 PM   #1010
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These are beautiful photos. For some reason I feel that Baroque style architecture is much more beautiful under a covering of snow.

Also, could someone help me with this? I am currently studying the architecture style found in the city of Bremen, but have only been able to find a couple of threads. I fully admit to being computer illiterate about most things, including how to use the search engine on this site, which seems a little tricky. I have seen all of the old photochromes, the post-war Life Magazine photographs, as well as a few vintage postcards but wonder if there are more.
I tried using the site Bildindex.de but couldn't make sense of the German instructions and found that I might possibly have to wade through hundreds of photos to find what I am looking for, which is architecture from Bremen outside of the well known Markt as well as the Botcherstrasse.
I know most of the city's buildings were destroyed in the war, so I am curious about what used to stand as well as any reconstructions, however good or bad.
Does anyone know of more threads dealing exclusively with the arch. of that city?
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Old March 1st, 2009, 09:03 AM   #1011
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Regarding Bremen: Did you already stumble across the Bremer Haus? Maybe you should also have a look at this thread, or this one. If you're searching for the Bremen page at Bildindex - it doesn't seem to work now, you should try later. Usually you find it via "Orte" > "Bremen". I'm not a Bremer, so I don't know if there's more stuff to discover here.

But perhaps you should put your request in the German forum, I think there are more people who could help you
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 02:53 AM   #1012
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Thank you erbse. I was able to get the Bildindex site working and found that I am going to have to wade through THOUSANDS of old photos. No problem. I have already scanned past a few thousand and had a lot of interesting (and humbling) moments looking at all the architectural wonders that once stood there. Thanks to these photos, you could literally rebuild the old city center almost to the inch. Not a bad idea for someone, namely myself, who wants to construct a scale model town sometime in the future. This is my reason for studying Bremen. I want to do something similar to what Langweil did with his terrain model of Prague.
I am going to repeat the recommend on the German forum as you suggested, but I kind of doubt anyone could suggest something to top Bildindex. Unbelievable.
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Keep us updated on the scale model town and post many, many pics in this forum
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 10:00 PM   #1014
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They're just repaving the road here:











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Old March 15th, 2009, 12:37 PM   #1015
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Good news everyone! Construction on Quartier VIII should start pretty soon. Since there are no new pictures here's a nice reconstruction of the 1990s...the Taschenbergpalais, today home to a 5 star hotel.

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On the left you can see part of the castle

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Good pics, but what idiot decided to take down the statues on the 'roof' in the 1990s pic? Thats ridiculous.
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Yeah, true. What happened to the coat of arms and two statues just above the last storey?
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This is what it looked like before 1945...I'm not sure but maybe the building was returned to its original baroque state. The statues and roof may have been later, perhaps more classicist additions. Maybe a Dresdner knows more about this.

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Maybe the statues and coat of arms are being restored or copied.
Or, it could be another typical example of postwar no-frills reconstruction in Germany and are considered too costly. If you restore the details to one building people will want to see it happen to more of them and this requires more work and money in the long run.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 04:25 PM   #1020
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[IMG]http://i43.************/10dxv75.jpg[/IMG]
I think you can find the coat of arms on this picture.
Perhaps they added it at this (new) position?
But I can't find the statues!
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