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Old September 19th, 2009, 03:11 AM   #1161
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I wonder what else might possibly be rebuilt in the coming years e.g. the Sophienkirche (pic) and the Altmarkt with the old town hall.



I wish they could rebuild everything.
Wow, that is gorgeous!
Let me guess, it was constructed in the 19th century.
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Old September 19th, 2009, 12:26 PM   #1162
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Wow, that is gorgeous!
Let me guess, it was constructed in the 19th century.
Alas, no. The building destroyed in 1945 was actually mid-14th century

The Sophienkirche was the oldest church in Dresden and the only Gothic church in Dresden. It also housed a Silbermann pipe organ upon which Bach probably performed in the 1730s.

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Gradually the ruins around the destroyed church were cleared. A reconstruction would have been quite possible, however the SED, which was in charge of the reconstruction of Dresden starting in 1950, doomed the church with a comment by Walter Ulbricht, the party chief of the SED, : "…a socialist city does not need gothic churches".

Despite large protests by Dresden monument conservators, architects and citizens, the remains of the church were destroyed in 1962 on resolution of the party and government of the GDR, German Democratic Republic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophienkirche

Another photo:



I don't speak German but there's some other photos and information here:

http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/busma...ienkirche.html

Doesn't look like they're reconstructing though
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Old September 19th, 2009, 10:46 PM   #1163
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That's a very interesting building. Specially for being a gothic church sorrounded by such a baroque city.

Does anyone know where to find interior pictures of it?
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Old September 19th, 2009, 10:46 PM   #1164
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That's a very interesting building. Specially for being a gothic church sorrounded by such a baroque city.

Does anyone know where to find interior pictures of it?
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Old September 20th, 2009, 01:57 AM   #1165
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That's a very interesting building. Specially for being a gothic church sorrounded by such a baroque city.

Does anyone know where to find interior pictures of it?
I can only find this one:



http://www.siedler24.de/Dresden.htm
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Old September 20th, 2009, 03:32 AM   #1166
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Does anyone living in or visiting Dresden know exactly what is being done at the moment? Has work ground to a complete stop on the Neumarkt or is there still construction taking place right now?
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Old September 20th, 2009, 12:42 PM   #1167
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Sophienkirche Dresden

^ Of course there's work going on. And a lot of things are going ahead soon, check out the last post of Rampische Straße, those constructions are about to start.
And the British Hotel is about to be built as well. Other quarters (behind Kulturpalast) are in the pipeline and will most probably start in 2010.



Sophienkirche:

With the baroque Zwinger palace in the foreground (photochrom print around 1900)

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Baroque Zwinger and gothic Sophienkirche, photo of 1880
(The towers are neogothic, btw)

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Sepia photo, around 1900

Source: herberts-home.de - more photos to be found there


Sophienkirche and Postplatz in the foreground, quite some splendid square back then, today it rather looks deserted


Source: ZENO.org -- click for full resolution


Source: herberts-home.de


Source: herberts-home.de


They simplified the church towers later (in 1933), because the neogothic towers were quite sensitive regarding the weather and about to be dangerous (stuff falling down from there), but it was said to be a temporary solution and to restore the neogothic towers later.

[IMG]http://i38.************/29w8lkh.jpg[/IMG]
Source: Bildindex.de


Sophienkirche after the allied bombing raids in 1945

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[IMG]http://i37.************/21l1kc4.jpg[/IMG]
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The GDR government (under Walter Ulbricht) decided to blow it up in 1962.
"A socialist city doesn't need gothic church towers!"


One day before the final demolition

Source: nicole1982.de


For more churches blown up in Dresden and the whole GDR, have a look at this page (warning: EXPLICIT/SAD CONTENT!): http://www.kirchensprengung.de/Dresden.htm





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Does anyone know where to find interior pictures of it?
Check out www.bildindex.de.
Just follow the link "Orte" on the sidebar to the left, then "Deutschland" > "D" > "Dresden" > "Sakralbau, alph." > "Sophienkirche".

You'll find hundreds of photos of the Sophienkirche there. This page offers loads of photos of any German city (as well as other European ones) and is a real treasure.


One of the interior photos you can find there:
[IMG]http://i35.************/5ofp6v.jpg[/IMG]
Source: Bildindex.de -- full resolution

The baroque Silbermann pipe organ

Source: nicole1982.de


You can also find additional photos there: nicole1982.de


Now that's what they're going to build on its place: A memorial called "Busmannkapelle" (Busmann chapel). They'll reconstruct some back parts of the choir and use original stones for this. It'll commemorate WWII and the horrible failures of the GDR government after the war. The construction started in September 2009.


Source: neumarkt-dresden.de / Gustavs und Lungwitz Architekten

German website of the memorial: www.busmannkapelle.de (You can donate for it)

More German info and images of the future memorial: GHND - neumarkt-dresden.de
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Old September 20th, 2009, 01:24 PM   #1168
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The Busmankapelle project really looks awesome. Do you know if all the necessary funding has been secured?
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Old September 20th, 2009, 01:33 PM   #1169
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Some better views of the new reconstructions that are going up soon:

View towards Frauenkirche:

[IMG]http://i35.************/15r06k9.jpg[/IMG]

View towards Kurländer Palais:

[IMG]http://i37.************/s5v0if.jpg[/IMG]

Source: http://bausituation-dresden.blogspot.com
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Old September 20th, 2009, 02:14 PM   #1170
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^ The view towards the Fraunkirche is especially lovely! Can't wait to see the buildings when they're finished
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Old September 20th, 2009, 08:31 PM   #1171
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I was there in 2007 and back then the Kurländer Palais was all rubble, the Rampische strasse was not there and the buildings on the Neumarkt weren't even finished yet. The progress is remarkable.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 08:28 PM   #1172
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If you want my opinion the Busmannkapelle looks like a horrible failure. Just rebuild the damn thing and make it into a museum.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 08:42 PM   #1173
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If you want my opinion the Busmannkapelle looks like a horrible failure. Just rebuild the damn thing and make it into a museum.
That would be my opinion too, tbh. So close to the Zwinger as well.
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Old September 22nd, 2009, 11:54 PM   #1174
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Good news, everyone! Looks like construction for Quartier 8 is about to get underway...



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Old September 23rd, 2009, 12:18 AM   #1175
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Awesome!!
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Are they starting to build Quartier 8?
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Can't wait to see the splendid Schlossquartier VIII finished.
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 07:44 PM   #1178
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These reconstructions look really exciting. It would be nice to restore Dresden exactly as it was before WWII, but I guess the original plans and details may not be available. In Warsaw they relied on photos and paintings by Canaletto, who was very detailed luckily. The mix of historic and modern is ok as long as the modern doesn't look too modern, a simplified version of the historic usually works best when you can't rebuild the original.

My grandmother travelled to Dresden a lot before WWII to attend the Semper Opera (she stayed at the Grand Hotel, I believe?). So tragic all this destruction, a big loss to world culture but so happy it's coming back and I hope to finally visit next summer.
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Old September 24th, 2009, 07:54 PM   #1179
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Thats fantastic - what a great city Desden is becomming. I cant wait to go back and see the progress. Its a true testiment to the dedication of its citizens to regain what was lost through bombing and neglect.

Its actually amazing to see Dresden starting to appear as a major tourist destination on tours/maps for European travels here in North America. I know the reconstruction is expensive, but the reputation and tourist spinoff will start to pay off.

Thanks for posting all the pictures, keep them coming!
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Old September 25th, 2009, 09:47 PM   #1180
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The church was beautiful. But I am not really satisfied with the project though. The church was valuable since it was the only gothic monument in town as the hole building, and these pre-war see-through or however to expreess this helmuts on two towers were this what really made the church.
I thought that the times when ruins were left to show the tragedy of the war and what happened to all these people, are so gone by. But aparenty I was wrong. We need to talk about the war and we musn't forget about this, but I am of the opinion that it's the people who are witnesses not the buildings, that should have some function in the cityspace. We cannot leave every buliding in the state of the conservated ruins or rebuild partly, cause every town will look as if the war was still there. We need to think for a better surroundings of the people who live in all the towns nowadays.
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