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Old September 25th, 2009, 11:29 PM   #1181
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^I think Dresden is one of the most beautifull cities of Germany.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 10:53 PM   #1182
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Are there other reconstruction plans for Dresden outside the Neumarkt? I was there recently and noticed that this area, while truly fantastic, ends quick abruptly.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 11:59 PM   #1183
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Picture Update / September 2009 - Part I

All Pictures from: neumarkt-dresden.de - Herbert Wunderwald


Quartier VIII / Kulturpalast


Quartier VIII/2


Rosmaringasse


Schlossstraße


Quartier II - Rampische Straße


Quartier II - Rampische Straße


Quartier II - Rampische Straße


Quartier II - Rampische Straße
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Old October 21st, 2009, 12:04 AM   #1184
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Picture Update / September 2009 - Part II

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British Hotel


British Hotel


British Hotel


Rampische Straße 23, 25 and 27


Rampische Straße 29


Kurländer Palais






Quartier III und IV
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Old October 21st, 2009, 05:24 AM   #1185
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Stunning -- thanks.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 09:41 AM   #1186
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These reconstructions look really exciting. It would be nice to restore Dresden exactly as it was before WWII, but I guess the original plans and details may not be available. In Warsaw they relied on photos and paintings by Canaletto, who was very detailed luckily. The mix of historic and modern is ok as long as the modern doesn't look too modern, a simplified version of the historic usually works best when you can't rebuild the original.
Oh, the original plans are available for most houses. Dresden is obsessed with its past, and a certain book about the old architecture of Dresden is owned by almost every Dresdener. But the reconstruction of the Neumarkt is a interesting testimony of the German psyche. Every reconstruction is controversial in Germany, since, allegedly, the recovery of the prewar situation erases our guilt, which is visible by the destroyed and uglily rebuilt cities (all this is called ruin fetishism here). Add modern architects, town planning offices headed by modern architects, poor cities and rich investors and you get such disappointing results.
A comparison with Warsaw doesn't work here either. It was the showcase of a commie regime and the project of a whole country. They didn't have to care about the profitability, and they partially destroyed other towns (Wroclaw) and monuments (like Lubiasz) to get the needed materials.

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Old October 21st, 2009, 06:50 PM   #1187
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I agree, in Poland as well, reconstructing the glory of the past is about healing wounds and restoring national pride so badly beaten down. There remains so much to be done still in Warsaw, especially the Saski and Bruhl palaces but also restoring buildings that did survive but were stripped of their detailing by communists. So much of Warsaw will never be rebuilt, especially the art and library collections that are gone forever.

BTW, I was in Wroclaw and was impressed by how much restoration is being done - a lot since I was there last in 1994. I have yet to visit Dresden, but it is high on my list.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 08:14 PM   #1188
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Glad to see the British Hotel has started
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Old October 29th, 2009, 04:07 PM   #1189
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Could someone explain this to me please? I followed this link that was posted a few pages ago:

http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/busma...ienkirche.html

and it has a lot of information about the Sophienkirche. I don't read German, but it seems as though they are going to rebuild just a small chapel that was located in the rear of the church, and then enclose this in glass. Is this right?If they are rebuilding, why not do the whole church? It looked so splendid from the Zwinger.

Also, judging from the old engravings, it looks like the church was radically altered sometime in the 19th century. There used to be a tower on the side and a radically different front. It almost looks like a totally different building. Were the twin towers a reconstruction of the original? A 19th century Gothic fantasy? I'd love to know more.

If anyone can answer these questions, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
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Old November 6th, 2009, 02:06 PM   #1190
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Quartier VIII...construction will hopefully get underway soon:









All pics courtesy of: http://bausituation-dresden.blogspot.com/

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and it has a lot of information about the Sophienkirche. I don't read German, but it seems as though they are going to rebuild just a small chapel that was located in the rear of the church, and then enclose this in glass. Is this right?If they are rebuilding, why not do the whole church? It looked so splendid from the Zwinger.
Other buildings are in its place now, so they'd have to be knocked down first in order to reconstruct the entire church.
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Old November 6th, 2009, 02:25 PM   #1191
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Some more renderings of Quartier VIII:



Johanneum on the right:



Castle on the left:



The building on the left doesn't look all that bad, but the one in the middle...bland and boring.

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Old November 6th, 2009, 08:26 PM   #1192
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eigentlich wunderschön!
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Old November 6th, 2009, 08:29 PM   #1193
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Wow, I am amazed everytime I see a photo of the work going on in Dresden! It's so cool!
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Old November 6th, 2009, 09:12 PM   #1194
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This roof above the middle building looks extremely strange. What is this?
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Old November 7th, 2009, 05:50 AM   #1195
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Looks great... can't wait to see Quartier VIII get underway
Thanks for all the updates
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Old November 7th, 2009, 05:45 PM   #1196
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The building on the far left just sucks.
Were they trying to be unique or something? It looks very bad.
They could have given it a red roof or something.

Bloody modernists!
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Old November 7th, 2009, 06:11 PM   #1197
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I agree. It is squat and ugly - closed to the world. It is astounding that it was approved in an area which has so many culturally-important buildings. If I have my bearings right, this view faces into the Kanzleihaus and was to have been a reconstruction of the Zechsches Haus, a pleasant Renaissance building, in the Dresden city reconstruction plan. My German might be faulty but it seems there was an issue between the developer and the city about sufficient fire access - at least that is the excuse for not rebuilding. This buidling goes right to the top of my list of really ugly mistakes in Dresden's rebuilding. Hopefully they will realise their mistake and tear it down in twenty years.
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Old November 7th, 2009, 07:21 PM   #1198
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I agree, in Poland as well, reconstructing the glory of the past is about healing wounds and restoring national pride so badly beaten down. There remains so much to be done still in Warsaw, especially the Saski and Bruhl palaces but also restoring buildings that did survive but were stripped of their detailing by communists. So much of Warsaw will never be rebuilt, especially the art and library collections that are gone forever.

BTW, I was in Wroclaw and was impressed by how much restoration is being done - a lot since I was there last in 1994. I have yet to visit Dresden, but it is high on my list.
Technically the past here, is not being reconstructed or restored. It is an essay in facadism. For the most part few of these buildings are faithful or exact reconstructions they are new build concrete boxes with a facsimile facade. They have done something very similar in Brunswick where the old Royal Palace has been rebuilt in facade from with a modern office, shopping centre inside and are doing the same in Berlin with the Prussian Palace scheme.
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It doesn't have to be exact.
Maybe the city of Dresden just wants to build in Baroque, is that so bad?
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"Facadism" is normally used as derogative term by modernists. They ignore deliberately that this so called "facadism" was part of architecture for a long time. Or does anyone believe half pillars with little to none static value serve any other function than making the building look nicer?

There is nothing wrong with facadism in my opinion as long as it is a well done, that means as long as it is masters the proportions for example. Even the more if its a reconstruction of the aesthetics of a former old town. While authenticity in the material where possible is a great thing, I think that the aesthetic itself is already justification to be rebuilt. This border line choice, either 100 % authenticity or 0 %, everything else being terrible is often used by modernists as natural thing, I contest that notion.

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Now that I think about it, it gets even more bizarre. Dresden is famous for its Baroque heritage. Baroque architecture is one of the masters of illusion and "facadism". Fit that together with the opinion of the uber-authenticity crowd and this gives a very nice touch of irony.
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