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Old April 8th, 2010, 03:02 PM   #1481
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All reconstructions in Dresden are definitely on my top 10 list of cool projects in Europe. More of that please.

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Old April 9th, 2010, 04:44 AM   #1482
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Many, many thanks to erbse for the interior shots of the Castle. Germany has some astonishingly talented craftsmen! The only thing that gives away the fact that the plasterwork is not old is the way the faces of the figures are rendered; it seems nearly impossible to replicate that.

Still, fantastic job!
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Old April 9th, 2010, 05:26 AM   #1483
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Many, many thanks to erbse for the interior shots of the Castle. Germany has some astonishingly talented craftsmen! The only thing that gives away the fact that the plasterwork is not old is the way the faces of the figures are rendered; it seems nearly impossible to replicate that.

Still, fantastic job!
Not sure what you mean. Of course these figures are all new. Would be mad to reconstruct them so they actually look hundred years old.

These buildings are supposed to stand there for several hundred years (if not another war comes) and they will automatically look older with time. Future generations in the year 2500 will appreciate that and see it as normal part of history.
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Old April 9th, 2010, 08:34 PM   #1484
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Indeed. Unlike anything modernist, some concrete stairhouse would have been torn down like 30 years from now... At the latest.
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Old April 9th, 2010, 09:02 PM   #1485
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Old April 10th, 2010, 01:10 AM   #1486
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Old April 10th, 2010, 01:30 AM   #1487
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Dresden's just a such Beauty even after the horrific events of the war, which unfortunately i cannot say the same with some of the stuff for Post War Britain. Hats off to German craftsmanship, you guys really deserve it!
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Old April 10th, 2010, 02:23 AM   #1488
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^ Well, obviously. Or would you imply those are done in some industrial way?


Small-minded, irrational, snotty, bullheaded modernist architects and councils, that exactly is the point. It's different from city to city though, it's a whole diff. situation in Potsdam, Berlin or Frankfurt for instance.

Dresden city council is ridiculing itself, there is an advisory council for the planning at Neumarkt that wants to push modernist crap through. They're doing their utmost to sabotage the result of a successful historical Neumarkt. Existential fear is plagueing them (esp. the architects), it seems.

If we win this battle, the reconstruction wave in Germany won't be stoppable anymore, I hope.
There is huge worldwide support for the historic rebuild. But why are the so-called modernists "doing their utmost to sabotage the result of a successful historical Neumarkt. Existential fear is plagueing them (esp. the architects), it seems."? Modernism has a place but not to replace historic legacy archtecture or to interfer with the classic personallity of a location. Rule #1 of archtecture is making things work with the environment its in, and the modern scales and lines in the dresden projects are misplaced and misguided.
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Old April 10th, 2010, 03:04 AM   #1489
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Is there any chance the lovely church that stood to the south of the Swinger and Taschenbergpalais will be reconstructed? Its twin spires were a very notable aspect to the city's skyline.
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Old April 10th, 2010, 03:10 AM   #1490
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Is there any chance the lovely church that stood to the south of the Swinger and Taschenbergpalais will be reconstructed? Its twin spires were a very notable aspect to the city's skyline.
Unfortunately not. They are, at this very moment, building a modern style memorial right on that site.
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Old April 10th, 2010, 10:04 PM   #1491
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Unfortunately not. They are, at this very moment, building a modern style memorial right on that site.
was there any attempt to rebuild rather than an inappropriately designe memorial? If the church was rebuilt, we wouldn't need a memorial.
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Old April 10th, 2010, 11:03 PM   #1492
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The problem is that the site of Sophienkirche currently is occupied by a new building built in the 90s.


That's the gothic church (Sophienkirche) next to the Zwinger palace we're talking about:


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I posted more photos some pages ago, just use the thread search.


That's the modest memorial they're building right now (Busmannkapelle/Busmann chapel):
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They're reconstructing a small part of the church for it. It at least is a base for tearing down the building that occupies the rest later and fully reconstruct it then. Better than nothing I guess.

More about it (in German): www.busmannkapelle.de
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Old April 11th, 2010, 01:18 AM   #1493
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yes, better than nothing, I suppose, as a screen door is better than no door at all on a submarine.

Have the modernists who are opposed to an accurate reconstruction program ever actually stated clearly their opposition to historicial renovation?

here in the U.S. the tear down and/or remove and rebuild with contemporary designed structures always claim that "progress" dictates change in style. They also are severe victims of the American "diversity" obsession, spilling over into architecture, dictating that consistency is bad, stark contrasts--new injected among the old--is good.

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Old April 11th, 2010, 12:21 PM   #1494
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I dont know what they're trying to achieve with that memorial, but its horrifying.
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Old April 11th, 2010, 01:50 PM   #1495
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A model of the Busmannkapelle memorial.
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Source: neumarkt-dresden.de / Gustavs und Lungwitz Architekten


More of Sophienkirche.
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Old April 11th, 2010, 09:26 PM   #1496
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that steel beam structure acting as some sort of a canopy looks more like a rock concert stage than a memorial.

Mein Deutsch ist nicht gut. So, I have not been able to study the Busmann site. Is this structure to be a memorial for the Sophienkirche itself? Or for the hundreds of thousands killed during the raids? Usually a memorial has a specific purpose to honor/memorialize a defined set of people or an individual.
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Old April 11th, 2010, 09:33 PM   #1497
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the photos of the ruins give the impression that there was sufficient structure remaining to artfully rebuilt the structure, had the authorities during the period 1945-1962 been willing. Had it been a non religious building, it may have had a better chance. But, the communist-athetist mentality was/is quite unwilling to go very far in accomodating the religious sector.
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It memorizes the Sophienkirche itself, of course.


And yeah, they could have reconstructed it. But the "socialist city doesn't need church towers", you know...
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It memorizes the Sophienkirche itself, of course.


And yeah, they could have reconstructed it. But the "socialist doesn't need church towers", you know...

Tragic. If there is sufficient reason to have a memorial to something, there is sufficient reason to have it back. For people, that is impossible, hence cemeteries and memorials for such. But, buildings? Museums account for things past and/or lost due to time passage and inability to reconstruct. In the case of the structures in the AltMarkt, this is not the case. Such a memorial is upside-down logic.

Not unlike the New York City world trade towers. they will not be rebuilt either; just a silly reminder where their footprint was.

Architects and city planners have all too often made bad choices.
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In the case of the structures in the AltMarkt, this is not the case. Such a memorial is upside-down logic.
Sophienkirche wasn't situated at Altmarkt, there we still have the baroque Kreuzkirche.


An aerial of Theaterplatz next to Zwinger, Semperoper, Royal Castle and Hofkirche:

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Sophienkirche stood outside the picture, to the right underneath the yellow baroque Taschenbergpalais Grand Hotel.

This old photo (around 1910) should make it clear - the Sophienkirche with the black towers in the center of this aerial.
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