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Old April 12th, 2010, 12:55 AM   #1501
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Ah, right, sorry, I meant Alt Stadt.

Regarding the Kreuzkirche, will it be renovated on the interior to recreate its former beauty?
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Old April 13th, 2010, 12:53 PM   #1502
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Old April 13th, 2010, 01:00 PM   #1503
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WOW, Great.

This photo shows well the old and new decorations, fantastic


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Old April 13th, 2010, 01:01 PM   #1504
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Old April 13th, 2010, 02:01 PM   #1505
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There is huge worldwide support for the historic rebuild. But why are the so-called modernists "doing their utmost to sabotage the result of a successful historical Neumarkt. Existential fear is plagueing them (esp. the architects), it seems."? Modernism has a place but not to replace historic legacy archtecture or to interfer with the classic personallity of a location.
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Old April 14th, 2010, 06:52 AM   #1506
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But this was the heart of Dresden, a German economic and cultural powerhouse back then. And just look at all the shops at the Neumarkt, they looked rather poor and very primitive. At the same time, massive skyscrapers and stuff was going up in the new world.

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The old town district of Dresden was rather poor back then. Rich people were living around the central station or outer districts, such as Loschwitz, Weisser Hirsch, Johannstadt or parts of the Neustadt side.

(Most old towns of - even rich - European cities looked like that around 1900.)

And btw, many buildings suffered from the extensive exhaust pollution of that time.
You have to consider that there were no filters for chimneys, cars or factories & powerhouses.
Everything turned dirty pretty quickly.

Also, it's typical for the Elbe sandstone to turn black like the Frauenkirche as you see it in your picture, that's no dirt.

They renovated huge parts of Dresdens old town in the 20s/30s anyway - while your picture shows its condition around 1910.
Yes, the sandstone actually oxidized by rain water, turning it black. Also, the old photos in black and white fail to show the cleanliness of the streets and general upkeep of the buildings. yes, they were not generally painted the bright colors of the new renovations, but they were consistently a taupe-gray that blended beautifully together, much like you can see on the old sections of Potsdam.

the appearance of old, worn, and/or tilting buildings only added a sense of charm and an aged beauty that was a museum to the past.
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Old April 14th, 2010, 07:02 AM   #1507
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Who's gonna reconstruct this building?
What architect?
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Old April 14th, 2010, 06:01 PM   #1509
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Ausgezeichnet! [email protected], Danke für die Bilder!
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Old April 14th, 2010, 06:15 PM   #1510
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Congratulations on your 2000th post, Dakir!

your photos are wonderful and an appreciated means of keeping us updated.
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Old April 14th, 2010, 07:25 PM   #1511
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Yes, the sandstone actually oxidized by rain water, turning it black. Also, the old photos in black and white fail to show the cleanliness of the streets and general upkeep of the buildings. yes, they were not generally painted the bright colors of the new renovations, but they were consistently a taupe-gray that blended beautifully together, much like you can see on the old sections of Potsdam.

the appearance of old, worn, and/or tilting buildings only added a sense of charm and an aged beauty that was a museum to the past.

Well I was not talking about the Frauenkirche. Sandstone does indeed age very well.

But these buldings in the front were painted. And such buildings need maintenance. Doesn't matter whether they are historic or not. Even today such historic buildingss get renovated from time to time. These pictures clearly show a state of decay and lack of maintenance.

I found this surprising since Dresden was considered one of the wealthiest german cities back then. But Ersbe explaiend that the rich people generally lived in a different part of the city.
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Old April 14th, 2010, 08:28 PM   #1512
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^ And in addition I'd add that the quality of the photo is rather low - quite grainy, esp. on the Rampische Strasse 29 building (in the front), that makes it look somewhat more rundown. It's also a matter of the time when such photos were shot - after the big recession beginning in the end of the 20s, there wasn't a lot of money for decent old town maintenance.
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Old April 16th, 2010, 09:46 PM   #1513
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Picture Update - Part 1

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Old April 16th, 2010, 09:51 PM   #1514
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Picture Update - Part 2

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Picture Update - Part 3

Quartier VIII | Castle area

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Old April 18th, 2010, 11:07 PM   #1519
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Old April 18th, 2010, 11:32 PM   #1520
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This is some great stuff. Absolutely love it. Makes me a little pissed though, that our politicians in Vilnius lack the balls to announce such wide-spread rebuilding.
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