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Old July 26th, 2010, 05:27 PM   #1701
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Those are modern but they are not modernism as they follow a traditional street pattern.
Where is this beautiful modern Venice?
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Old July 26th, 2010, 05:37 PM   #1702
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Old July 26th, 2010, 06:14 PM   #1703
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Rampsiche Strasse updates, to get back on topic





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Old July 26th, 2010, 07:02 PM   #1704
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So these buildings will be rebuilt as they were? In the old Style?

When will be planed the reconstruction of the last house of the street?
Are they working yet?

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Old July 26th, 2010, 08:32 PM   #1705
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When will be planed the reconstruction of the last house of the street?
Are they working yet?
No. 33 should look something like this when it's reconstructed



http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/Press.../11-01-09.html
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Old July 26th, 2010, 09:19 PM   #1706
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No 33 is planned for start of construction sometime late this fall or early 2011 with a targeted completion date of 2013.

The timing for starting the Palais Hoym, the Rampische strasse side of which will face 17-33 Rampische is not yet confirmed.
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Old July 27th, 2010, 01:19 AM   #1707
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It is about purity of form, form follows function
"Form follows fiasco". Look it up El Greco. It's written by Peter Blake and is a rather complete and interesting opinion on the failings of modernism.

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Indeed UnitÚ d'Habitation is very popular with its residents and is now mainly occupied by middle-class professionals. Please explain this. If people dont want it how come they like it? It is you who dont want it.
What you write is not entirely true. In fact it could be considered wrong!
Peter Blake had this to say about UnitÚ d'Habitation in "Form follows fiasco"
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Architects around the world continue to admire Le Corbusier's 1952 UnitÚ d'Habitation at Marseilles, and rightly so, but for the wrong reason: it is a spectacular hunk of sculpture -- and a terible hunk of living space. It is a huge slab of concrete some 450 feet long, 200 feet tall, and nearly 70 feet thinck; it contains close to 340 apartments that house something like 1.600 people; there are fifteen floors of apartments, and a two-story "shopping street" that runs the length of the building about a third of the way up. The huge concrete monotlith is supported on a double row of concrete struts and topped by a marvelously plastic roof garden complete with playgrounds, a restaurant, a movie theater, an much, much more. The UnitÚ, in short, is a vast and stunning piece of concrete sculpture (and an assemblage of many smaller but equally stunning pieces of concrete sculpture); but as an assemblage of dwelling units attuned to the needs of twentieth-centure living in plan, section, elevation or general spatial organization, the UnitÚ is a farce.

Its apartments lack all pretense of privacy: its children's bedrooms are, in effect, sliding-door closets, about six feet deep; there are no places in which children can escape their parents, or vice versa. The only place for either to go, to get way from it all, is out. Le Corbusier's apartments are, without a doubt, masterpieces of volumetric virtuosity. Unhappily, they are also destructive of all family life. (Le Cobusier and his wife had no children)
I read in the same book that many of the shops in the shopping street have been closed and converted to offices. It's hard to have shops with no customers. Mind you that "Form follows fiasco" was written in 1974 and much has happened since. Today the UnitÚ is inhabited by Le Corbusier worshipers and architects that treat the house with the same respect as if it was a museum.
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With respect, I dont really care what Peter Blake has to say. Modernism is liked by people and Ive already explained this. I said all there was to say and dont see the point in continuing this debate.
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Old July 27th, 2010, 04:26 PM   #1709
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No. 33 should look something like this when it's reconstructed



http://www.neumarkt-dresden.de/Press.../11-01-09.html
Thanks, but I was wondering if they have started working on that site?
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Old July 27th, 2010, 04:36 PM   #1710
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Thanks, but I was wondering if they have started working on that site?


This was posted yesterday:

No 33 is planned for start of construction sometime late this fall or early 2011 with a targeted completion date of 2013.

The timing for starting the Palais Hoym, the Rampische strasse side of which will face 17-33 Rampische is not yet confirmed.
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Old July 27th, 2010, 04:39 PM   #1711
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thanks , I've lost the post...

So for Quartier III we have to wait.
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Old July 27th, 2010, 05:16 PM   #1712
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With respect, I dont really care what Peter Blake has to say. Modernism is liked by people and Ive already explained this. I said all there was to say and dont see the point in continuing this debate.
Peter Blake was quite influencial back in the days. He was not a nobody among his contemporaries. But you don't seem to get it, and you don't really care about constructive criticism, so this discussion with you seem rather pointless.

It's also a pretty big flaw on your part to use photos of Amsterdam's Scheepstimmermanstraat as examples of modernism. I was ready to overlook it, since I'm usually not a nitpicker, but your stupid response leave little goodwill and a strong urge to deflate your obviously inflated ego.
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Old July 27th, 2010, 05:26 PM   #1713
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thanks , I've lost the post...

So for Quartier III we have to wait.

yes, I am afraid so. Financing may be a core reason, and I hope that the predicted downturn in global economies is held off long enough to get Quartier III completed. Of all is aspects to the NeuMarkt, having Ramische strasse complete on both sides is the premier goal, imho.
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Old July 27th, 2010, 06:56 PM   #1714
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What did i say about Elgrco again? seems youve worked him out markowitch
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Old July 27th, 2010, 07:05 PM   #1715
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True that! I should have listened to your warning.
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Old July 27th, 2010, 07:26 PM   #1716
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The Taschenberg Palais is planning to host a historic tour and lecture series on the neumarkt during the Christmas season.

This hotel remains the most elegant in the area even though the new Hotel Suitess An der Frauenkirche is quite wonderful and very pricey.

Both properties look historically accurate on the outside and offer a fabulous visual feeling of post WWII. The insides have been created to maximize luxurious hotel accomodations with the latest comforts.

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Old July 27th, 2010, 07:41 PM   #1717
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What did i say about Elgrco again? seems youve worked him out markowitch
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But you don't seem to get it, and you don't really care about constructive criticism, so this discussion with you seem rather pointless.
Nah, I said all there is to say on the matter and you can agree or disagree with it, either way this thread isnt about that, so this is why I will not discuss the matter further. You can call this stupid or arrogant, whichever takes your fancy.
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Old July 27th, 2010, 08:00 PM   #1718
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Much of the space in the neumarkt pre WWII was actually used for residential purposes. Are any of the reconstructed houses planned for rental apartments or owner-units?
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Nah, I said all there is to say on the matter and you can agree or disagree with it, either way this thread isnt about that, so this is why I will not discuss the matter further. You can call this stupid or arrogant, whichever takes your fancy.
Yeah, whatever. Bye bye
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Old July 27th, 2010, 09:18 PM   #1720
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What will or will be build on the other sites in the historic center of Dresden?




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