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Old September 19th, 2010, 01:43 PM   #1781
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I just noticed that we completely missed the 5-year anniversary of this thread. Here's to the next 5 years and more beautiful reconstructions.

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This is probably the biggest reconstruction project in Germany right now. The area around the Frauenkirche will be rebuilt in a classic and modern way which means that most buildings will be reconstructed along with some modern additions.

























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Old September 19th, 2010, 01:48 PM   #1782
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Who is in charge of the reconstruction? Is it the government or some private developers? What will be done with the buildings after construction? houses? offices? hotels?
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Old September 19th, 2010, 01:53 PM   #1783
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City administration has sold these plots to developers. All sorts of things can be found in them...plenty of hotels, some apartments, restaurants etc.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 07:37 PM   #1784
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I love how the development is coming together. Thanks for everyone for providing the detailed updates. I cant imagine the cost of this reconstruction based on the artistry and craftsmanship I have seen, but I can tell you the pay off is there in the long run.

Aside from civic pride, and preserving history, I know of many North Americans (myself included) that have put Dresden as a must go part of any European trip. The Berlin-Dresden-Prague tourist route has consistently grown in popularity over the past years. I planned on staying for 1 night on my last trip and ended up staying there 4 we loved it so much.

Hats off to the hard work of Dresdener's for helping the city rise from the rubble and hats off to those of you who keep us informed with all the exiting development.

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Old September 21st, 2010, 08:49 PM   #1785
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If people are interested in Dresden and Saxony, they can always check out my thread about the city and state.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 09:38 PM   #1786
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Aside from civic pride, and preserving history, I know of many North Americans (myself included) that have put Dresden as a must go part of any European trip. The Berlin-Dresden-Prague tourist route has consistently grown in popularity over the past years.
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I agree! I'm from South America and I'm still waiting for a TGV to be constructed from Berlin, Dresden, Praga, Viena, Budapest, Timisoara, and Bucharest in order to spend a summer visiting those marvelous cities.

I cannot wait anymore, so I think I'll rent a car next year and go!
A couple weeks in each big city, a week in each small one.
Otherwise what life is for???

Is there a touristic guide of resconstruction already?
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 05:02 PM   #1787
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With the opening of eastern europe and the reconstruction projects in Dresden and Berlin, the world is suddenly "rediscovering" much of the essence of the real Europe. Americans, for decades, were brainwashed into believing London, Paris, Rome was all Europe had to offer. Travel agents pushed these destinations to the exclusion of most else, except Disney Land. Now that Dresden is leading the way as a newly awakened tourist area, the destinations of Berlin, Prague, Dresden, Leipzig, Vienna, Budapest, Danzig, Tallin, etc are very likely to help overcome the anti-German and anti eastern Europe bias that has exist for a long time.
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Old September 24th, 2010, 12:06 PM   #1788
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Pictures I took in early August:

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Pictures from http://bausituation-dresden.blogspot.com/:









Once again an idea of what the street will look like:

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Old September 24th, 2010, 09:47 PM   #1789
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What a beautiful looking place

I see lots of reclaimed stone in these buildings, presumably the original remnants of the buildings? where was this stone found? was it saved off site for a number of years or was it just lying as rubble in situ?
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Looks stunning. Yes, people will hopefully rediscover the essence of middle Europe, its beauty in city's like Dresden, Wurzburg, Krakow and Prague and maybe some day I hope Warsaw. Elblag/Elbling is being rebuilt too but more as a modernist interpretation of what was. I think this central part of Europe judging by historical pics was the most beautiful with its Austro-Hungarian, Prussian/Germanic and Slavic influences.

BTW, how much of historic Dresden is now rebuilt would you say, what approx percentage of it is back? Can you walk for a few streets without modernist/communist interruptions spoiling the glorious pre-war inspired composition?
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Old September 24th, 2010, 11:44 PM   #1791
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What a beautiful looking place

I see lots of reclaimed stone in these buildings, presumably the original remnants of the buildings? where was this stone found? was it saved off site for a number of years or was it just lying as rubble in situ?
Yes, much of the stone and ornaments were uncovered in rubble that had been piled up for 5 decades. Many wonderful discoveries were made, including the cross that was at the top of the Frauenkirche. It now is on display in the Church santuary. Artisans spent years cataloging the rubble in order to piece together the few substantial items that were not pulverized in the bombing holocaust.
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Looks stunning. Yes, people will hopefully rediscover the essence of middle Europe, its beauty in city's like Dresden, Wurzburg, Krakow and Prague and maybe some day I hope Warsaw. Elblag/Elbling is being rebuilt too but more as a modernist interpretation of what was. I think this central part of Europe judging by historical pics was the most beautiful with its Austro-Hungarian, Prussian/Germanic and Slavic influences.

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Agree completely. This area is reemerging with vigor.

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BTW, how much of historic Dresden is now rebuilt would you say, what approx percentage of it is back? Can you walk for a few streets without modernist/communist interruptions spoiling the glorious pre-war inspired composition?
There's the Neustadt on the other bank of the Elbe which has plenty of pre-WW2 architecture and you can certainly walk thru that w/o any sort of interruptions. The old town (relatively small and condensed) with the Zwinger, Semper Opera, Frauenkirche, Castle, Neumarkt can be explored without too many major interruptions as well but it's certainly not what it once was.

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The dark stones of the castle survived WW2. The building was more or less in ruins until the 1990s.

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Old September 25th, 2010, 12:56 AM   #1794
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The city is so beautiful. I really hope that once again Dresden will be one of the cultural capitals of Europe, like it was in its golden era.
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Amazing Progress..... Thanks Kampflamm
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Old September 25th, 2010, 03:16 PM   #1796
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With the opening of eastern europe and the reconstruction projects in Dresden and Berlin, the world is suddenly "rediscovering" much of the essence of the real Europe. Americans, for decades, were brainwashed into believing London, Paris, Rome was all Europe had to offer. Travel agents pushed these destinations to the exclusion of most else, except Disney Land. Now that Dresden is leading the way as a newly awakened tourist area, the destinations of Berlin, Prague, Dresden, Leipzig, Vienna, Budapest, Danzig, Tallin, etc are very likely to help overcome the anti-German and anti eastern Europe bias that has exist for a long time.
what about Neuschwanstein and Heidelberg and Rothebburg ob der Tauber? Typical american tourist destination in germany and europe!
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Berlin, Prague and Vienna are already within the top ten most visited cities in Europe as well.
But keepthepast was right. Paris, London and Rome (plus Venice and Florence maybe) were for many decades sold as the only cities of interest n Europe.
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Berlin, Prague and Vienna are already within the top ten most visited cities in Europe as well.
But keepthepast was right. Paris, London and Rome (plus Venice and Florence maybe) were for many decades sold as the only cities of interest n Europe.
Really? I don't think so, because Neuschwanstein was and is popular by American and Japanese tourists and Oktoberfest with Munich! Aswell Heidelberg because of the US ARMY Headquater in Europe (which are moving to Wiesbaden, i know)
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Really? I don't think so, because Neuschwanstein was and is popular by American and Japanese tourists and Oktoberfest with Munich! Aswell Heidelberg because of the US ARMY Headquater in Europe (which are moving to Wiesbaden, i know)
Of course Neuschwanstein and other parts of Germany have been destinations for some american travel over the decades, but I think you miss this point. Overwhelmingly, the tourism business in the US has sold London, Paris, Rome (plus as Tiaren points out, the romantic cities of Florence and Venice, and more recently Spain) as the places to go for the 'once in a lifetime' trip across the pond. Traditionally, there have been many more flights to these cities than any destinations in Germany. Just look at the ads and posters in airports and in travel agent windows; you'll see parliament and big Ben and buckingham palace, Eifel Tower and arch de triumphe, Roman colesium and forum, each titled with its destination. You might see neuschwanstein castle, but the title is gnerally "europe". From a marketing standpoint, there is no question central and eastern europe has generally been out of consideration frames of most american travellers.

now, however, having the Wall removed, substantial efforts in creating ungrades in hotels and restaurants, etc, the travellers who have discovered this 'lost' area are promoting it heavily via word of mouth, mostly....and its working.
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Berlin, Prague and Vienna are already within the top ten most visited cities in Europe as well.
But keepthepast was right. Paris, London and Rome (plus Venice and Florence maybe) were for many decades sold as the only cities of interest n Europe.
Berlin is only in the Top 10 if you include domestic tourists.

I wouldn't exactly group Western Germany (Southern Germany, really) together with Central and Eastern Europe when it comes to tourism as it has been a well-established destination for Asians and North Americans for decades, but he certainly has a point in so far as Germany has nowhere near the "prestige" of France, Italy or the UK as a place to spend a vacation.
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