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Old October 6th, 2010, 03:21 PM   #1821
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Finally finishing the portico over the entrance of the British Hotel





More photos here: http://www.bausituation-dresden.com/
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Old October 6th, 2010, 03:28 PM   #1822
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Always looking better Love it.

Once completed will be used as a hotel or may have other uses?
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Old October 6th, 2010, 04:39 PM   #1823
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Always looking better Love it.

Once completed will be used as a hotel or may have other uses?
As far as I know it'll just be a hotel, unless there are some shops on the ground floor. I guess one of our German members will know for sure
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Old October 6th, 2010, 04:50 PM   #1824
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do you think ground floor of British Hotel facade was originaly like this?

isn't it too simple compared to he rest of the building?

I feel like pillasters are lacking. there's no relation between ground floor and upper levels. I feel it's been modified between its construction and its destruction.

there's no doubt it was like this when it was bombed, but how was it when it was firstly built?
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Old October 6th, 2010, 05:19 PM   #1825
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The only difference i can see are the shop doors



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Old October 6th, 2010, 11:52 PM   #1826
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Thanks Karasek for that amazing aerial pic of Dresden - that's a keeper . For me, it's still worth coming to visit especially if some suburbs are still intact. It sounds very much like Warsaw, where the most magnificent core of the city is gone (although Warsaw did rebuild much more in comparision, but suburbs like Zoliborz, Stary Mokotow and Ochota are intact. It would certainly be expensive and take tremendous political will today to rebuild more of Dresden but I hope some more landmarks are rebuilt. In any case, I will be visiting next year.
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Old October 7th, 2010, 03:03 AM   #1827
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Wow! Those before and after's are amazing!
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Old October 7th, 2010, 11:24 PM   #1828
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It was interesting to talk to people in Dresden about the reconstruction. Most of the young people (and even more of the older people) were not as in favor of rebuilding the city as I would have thought.

The main reason I was told is cost - how can the government justify rebuilding everything when there is 20% unemployment. I know a lot is privately funded, but there is a huge expense to the reconstruction.

The other issue was people felt their East German history was being erased. Although almost all were not supportive of the East German government and system, all felt it was a part of them and removing the buildings was a way of removing the period of time.

I can see both sides, but personally I think the baroque city was beautiful and should be rebuilt as historically accurate as possible. I think it looks beautiful thus far and promotes civic pride and tourism.

As for the communist buildings, I have little regard for the architecture or what they represent, but I do think there should be some preservation for historical purposes.

Would be interesting to get some Saxon opinions on this, regardless thanks for all the great update pictures and updates.
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Old October 8th, 2010, 02:19 AM   #1829
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It was interesting to talk to people in Dresden about the reconstruction. Most of the young people (and even more of the older people) were not as in favor of rebuilding the city as I would have thought.

The main reason I was told is cost - how can the government justify rebuilding everything when there is 20% unemployment. I know a lot is privately funded, but there is a huge expense to the reconstruction.

The other issue was people felt their East German history was being erased. Although almost all were not supportive of the East German government and system, all felt it was a part of them and removing the buildings was a way of removing the period of time.

I can see both sides, but personally I think the baroque city was beautiful and should be rebuilt as historically accurate as possible. I think it looks beautiful thus far and promotes civic pride and tourism.

As for the communist buildings, I have little regard for the architecture or what they represent, but I do think there should be some preservation for historical purposes.

Would be interesting to get some Saxon opinions on this, regardless thanks for all the great update pictures and updates.
I can appreciate the East German perspective re. how they feel as though their history is being erased, but why would they want to be reminded of rule under the Communists? The problem is that I didn't grow up under the Communists so on that level it's not 'my history' that's being erased. It's hard to know for sure, but even if it was my history I don't think I would be sorry to see the back of the Communist rebuilding.

We had something similar over here in my city. A beautiful piece of Georgian architecture was damaged during WW2 and instead of rebuilding it it was replaced with a truly ugly brick pedestrianised shopping centre. You can read a bit about what happened here:
http://thelostcityofexeter.blogspot....rd-circus.html

The shopping centre was demolished itself a few years ago (and replaced with something even uglier) but there were people who thought the old 1950s shops should've been kept because they represented a period of the city's history. I appreciated the view point but I totally disagreed with it. Why should people have ugly stuff inflicted on them every day of the week just because it represents something? The real solution would've been to reconstruct the Georgian buildings that were bulldozed and only then would I have been happy. I guess the fact is that some people don't like/care for historic architecture. I do, so I wouldn't care about what a building represented if it was as ugly as sin and I had the option of getting something beautiful back in its place.

I know it sounds selfish, but the people of Dresden should be thankful that things once thought lost for good are being rebuilt. There are many people across Europe who would love for something like that to happen where they live.

As for the money, and I would see it as an investment, if only from a tourism perspective.

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Old October 8th, 2010, 09:31 AM   #1830
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The age old "how can they be spending money on xyz when there are people unemployed"-argument. Sadly these are the times we're living in. Anything that's beautiful is considered unnecessary, just look at modern architects and their hatred for ornaments.

I want to live in a beautiful city, if that means spending some of my tax euros on reconstructions or other stuff to make the city better, then so be it. And as wolfpaw has mentioned, all these reconstructions are turning Dresden into a tourist hotspot. If it still looked like it did in the mid-90s (Frauenkirche and castle in ruins, the Neumarkt as one big parking lot etc.), I doubt people would be flocking to the city.
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Old October 8th, 2010, 09:34 AM   #1831
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Rampische Straße 29...a true gem. Pics courtesy of http://www.bausituation-dresden.com/:







How can people not love this view?! A mere 5 years ago there was literally nothing there (except for the Kurländer Palais ruins)
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Old October 8th, 2010, 10:11 AM   #1832
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The age old "how can they be spending money on xyz when there are people unemployed"-argument. Sadly these are the times we're living in. Anything that's beautiful is considered unnecessary, just look at modern architects and their hatred for ornaments.

I want to live in a beautiful city, if that means spending some of my tax euros on reconstructions or other stuff to make the city better, then so be it. And as wolfpaw has mentioned, all these reconstructions are turning Dresden into a tourist hotspot. If it still looked like it did in the mid-90s (Frauenkirche and castle in ruins, the Neumarkt as one big parking lot etc.), I doubt people would be flocking to the city.
I second to that, and how can anyone not love that view?
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Old October 8th, 2010, 10:17 AM   #1833
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Lovely Rampische Straße 29 buildings.

But I want to see start work in the rest of Quarter III!
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Old October 8th, 2010, 01:22 PM   #1834
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The people who think this don't realise that rebuilding creates jobs?
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Old October 8th, 2010, 02:41 PM   #1835
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How can people not love this view?! A mere 5 years ago there was literally nothing there (except for the Kurländer Palais ruins)
I think this photo is proof that the reconstruction has been a total triumph. On the surface is just looks like a beautiful Baroque street that has been there for centuries, which is exactly how it should look. Even the awful hotel doesn't look so bad from this angle. People think historic cities are just full of individual historic buildings but it's the way those buildings work together as a whole that really gives a city its historic character.
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Old October 8th, 2010, 08:05 PM   #1836
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I agree with Kampflamm. When I'm in Germany next year I plan on visiting Dresden to see all the great things going on there. If Dresden were not being rebuilt or left as it appeared in the 90s, I would not be at all interested in visiting. I'm so excited to see it!
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Old October 8th, 2010, 09:51 PM   #1837
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Rampische Straße 29...a true gem. Pics courtesy of http://www.bausituation-dresden.com/:
I love the plaster they used here on this one. It's surface isn't very very smooth, you can see it's very barockish, just as it used to be, it's not even, you can see some a bit lighter and darker parts, which looks very naturally.
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Rampische Straße 23-27:







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Dresden was....no! Dresden is getting beautifull again!
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Quartier VIII and Rampische Straße:





















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