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Old October 22nd, 2010, 08:14 PM   #1861
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Was this building originally constructed out of concrete? If not, should it not then be constructed out of its original material so that it avoids the pastiche look ?
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 09:46 PM   #1862
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The original Alt Stadt and Neumarkt were largely constructed of wood, natural stone, bricks for the foundations and sub-walls, concrete/cement, and masonry.

it is fully acceptable to rebuild and/or restore these structures with updated building materials, safety codes, climate control, etc. It is unlikely that much concrete was used for the original walls and foundations (as you can see in the photos of the ruins and excavations), but its use now only enhances the redevelopment of the area and provides for a longer-lasting and more structurally sound set of buildings that will last for a long, long time. A signifcant amount of effort is being made to not create facades that look like cheap immitations, rather artisians are painstakingly doing a fine job at recreating and enhancing the former structures.
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 09:52 PM   #1863
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I agree that the concrete looks a bit dull but as keepthepast has mentioned, a lot has changed since the original buildings were built a number of centuries ago. New building codes, concerns for the environment etc.
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 10:50 PM   #1864
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[QUOTE=Kampflamm;65805421]I agree that the concrete looks a bit dull QUOTE]


Just to clarify....the concrete we see above is only the inner structure of the walls. All this will be covered by exterior finishes that reflect the textures and colors of the originals, just like on Rampishe strasse. We'll never see the concrete once the buildings are completed.
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 11:32 PM   #1865
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Just to clarify....the concrete we see above is only the inner structure of the walls. All this will be covered by exterior finishes that reflect the textures and colors of the originals, just like on Rampishe strasse. We'll never see the concrete once the buildings are completed.

What type of stone is featured on the exterior walls and ornamentations? Does this stone work stay true to the original?
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 11:43 PM   #1866
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In general, the plans are to adher to the original look. The images of the work already done is an indication of what the remaining construction will be like--a very close rebuilding or original structures. Some, like the Fraunekirche and Rampishe 29 are exact duplicates, but others are near duplicates, while others are very close representations. None are going to be exposed concrete structures like the former police building that as removed several years ago to make way for this project.
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 02:05 AM   #1867
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Using concrete foundations and concrete form pours for the walls make complete economical and architectural sense. The cost of these reproductions is extremely high, and the original construction were expensive to upkeep. Concrete is fast to build and inexpensive in comparison to traditional methods. I'm glad the are putting the effort into the exterior cosmetic reconstruction vs. ensuring the building framework is constructed true to the original design.

I'm truly amazed by the skill and craftsmanship of these buildings, the quality shames pretty much anything that gets constructed in North America.
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 07:23 PM   #1868
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Why is there a modern styled building there?
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 09:12 PM   #1869
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Because individual property owners had their own architects contracted for the work. While designs needed city approvals and there were public forums to discuss the designs, many compromises were agreed to. Art, design, architecture, etc, are always subjective and likes/dislikes are extremely emotional and varied. With the very strong drive to create ultra contemporary buildings worldwide, regardless of the history of an area, the modernist aspects build into the neumarkt are blessedly few and far between.
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 10:03 PM   #1870
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Because individual property owners had their own architects contracted for the work. While designs needed city approvals and there were public forums to discuss the designs, many compromises were agreed to. Art, design, architecture, etc, are always subjective and likes/dislikes are extremely emotional and varied. With the very strong drive to create ultra contemporary buildings worldwide, regardless of the history of an area, the modernist aspects build into the neumarkt are blessedly few and far between.
Were the plots sold by auction to individual owners according to the WWII era plots? I actually thought this was a government led project
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 10:48 PM   #1871
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Here are a few more images/models of the redevelopment of the south side of Rampishe Str, numbers 2-18.

aerial view from the Frauenkirche.




looking from An der Frauenkirche toward the Kurhaus.




lower level view from the Frauenkirche.

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Old October 24th, 2010, 12:43 AM   #1872
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Please, move with the reconstruction, I can not wait to go back to Dresden to see it completed.

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Old October 24th, 2010, 01:05 AM   #1873
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Great photos Kampflamm! Thanks for the update!
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Old October 24th, 2010, 01:12 AM   #1874
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If only they would be rebuilt like that...

Nothing has been said about the south side of the street for a long time, I wonder how long it will take for them to be rebuilt.
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Old October 24th, 2010, 11:19 AM   #1875
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Old October 24th, 2010, 01:16 PM   #1876
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How much is now already builted up? Can you give a number in % or something? I would like to see a bw-photo of the construction area before the war and now.
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Old October 24th, 2010, 02:33 PM   #1877
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Old October 25th, 2010, 02:39 AM   #1878
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I think the Rampische Strasse buildings are some of the best yet. It really is a remarkable achievement!
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Old October 25th, 2010, 03:00 AM   #1879
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can't wait for the other ones to be unveiled!
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Old October 27th, 2010, 11:10 AM   #1880
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if they are rebuilding these buildings what was before them..? was it an empty space.?
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