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Old August 28th, 2005, 04:15 PM   #1
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Some spectacular, "doubtful" projects - UPDATES?

Hi, I created this thread for possible updates, u/c pics or any other interesting / new information on several incredibly spectacular projects that are either dubious in terms of feasibility or have become suspiciously silent in terms of updates, construction site reports / photos, etc. All projects boast a structural height exceeding or close to 400m.

project, city (height / floor count)

1. Lotte World II Hotel, Seoul (800m / 200F)
555m / 112 floors were increased to 800/200 respectively by the Lotte Group. I guess it's very unlikely that this (IMO ugly) Eiffel Tower ripoff gets built because of the air force base proximity but does anyone have any updates (renderings, new info on its status)? I suppose it's more a vision than a real project but since it theoretically even has WTB potential, it would be great to know something new.

2. Park Square Tower, Dubai (666m [?] / 150F)
Any new info like construction start date or renderings?

3. Bosphorus Tower, Istanbul (650m / ???F)
Again, one of those visions that are probably more pure fantasy concepts than real projects but I wonder if anyone has any updates on this one.

4. Russia Tower, Moscow (648m [398m] / 134F [???F] )
Now, this one is interesting. Approved but I doubt such a beast will be built in Russia. Besides, some time ago I read that its height was reduced from 648m to 398m (still impressive ofc). Now, what's the current status of this baby? Does anyone know? What is the correct height? If the building is scheduled for construction start in late 2006, I think that we know suspiciously little about the tower.

5. Fordham Spire, Chicago (610m / 115F)
Any news on its possible approval? If construction is to begin next year, it's about time to give a green light

6. Three Empires Tower, Istanbul (600m / 150F)
Another highly doubtful... vision. Listed as stale proposal on SSP. Not listed on Emporis. Dead?

7. International Business Center, Seoul (580m / 130F)
One of my favorites. An impressive building. If it's to be completed in 2008 (heh, no way I guess), and it's approved, why hasn't the construction started yet? Will it ever be built? Are any preparatory works in progress?

8. Menara Nur Darul Iman, Kuala Terengganu (549m / 75F)
A relatively small city. Only 75F but taller than FT in NYC. Vision? Any renders available? I assume it's another dead proposal and should be listed as "never built" on Emporis, right?

9. Chongqing Tower, Chongqing (516m / 114F)
I liked this one, a huge "no bullshit" building. Any news? Listed as stale proposal on SSP. Dead?

10. Busan Lotte Tower, Busan (494m / 107F)
Theoretically, U/C. No pics however, no progress reported. It looks pretty suspicious at the moment... Any news?

11. Suyong Bay Tower, Busan (462m / 102F)
Another Busan beauty. Any updates on its status? It's been proposed for quite a while now...

12. Xujiahui Tower, Shanghai (460m / 92F)
Listed as stale proposal on SSP. Dead?

13. Port Tower, Karachi (450m / 40F)
Now, this one is weird. Extremely low floor count (I know, spires, and all ); should be U/C by now; no renderings on Emporis. What's the status, does anyone know ANYthing?

14. Dubai Towers Doha, Doha (445m / 80F)
It is (or at least should be) U/C right now. Any news on progress made, construction pics?

15. Asia Plaza, Kaohsiung (431m / 103F)
Just a bit similar to IBC in Seoul. Approved but construction hasn't started yet. Any updates?

16. Centum Century Hotel, Busan (424m [?] / 100F)
Mentioned on Emporis, SSP as well as architect's site. Any info?

17. Nanjing International Finance Center Office Tower, Nanjing (421m [?] / 89F)
Initially planned as 300m tower, then changed to 421+ in order to surpass Jin Mao. Any new renderings, height specification? Any news on construction start?

18. North Bund Tower, Shanghai (388m / 72F)
Approved but no construction dates whatsoever. What's the current status of this nice, "organic" tower?
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Old August 28th, 2005, 04:22 PM   #2
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One or two in London are doubtful, I'll try and find them.
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Old August 28th, 2005, 04:44 PM   #3
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#13 was never started, it had a problem with the govt. regarding the land, now the project will be re-advertised to find a new investor.
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Old August 28th, 2005, 05:40 PM   #4
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1: I don't know about this one. All I know is that it's a proposal and I hope it doesn't get built. Even though it's tall, the design isn't good enough at all. As you said, an eiffel tower ripoff.

2: The developers are pretty serious about this and they're still choosing between 2 final designs apparantly. We'll have more info next month I think, from cityscape.

3: Just a vision. Looks impossible to build aswell.

4: Heard about the height reduction aswell. Don't know anymore about it though.

5: Has a good chance of getting built. They have to find enough people who'll buy in the tower first though, I think.

6: A proposal, like millenium tower (looks just like it)

7: This is actually my favourite design for a supertall at the moment and would be a shame if it doesn't get built. Looks absolutely fantastic and is approved I think. Might get a height reduction though

8: Never heard of this one.

9: Just a proposal

10: I asked about this aswell and someone said it was redesigned a good few times. They've dug a hole I think. It would have the same effect as taipei101 but this looks about 100 times better.

11: Haven't a clue

12: In the masterplan for the pudong area there are supposed to be 3 supertalls. Jin Mao, SWFC and a third one which is smaller than SWFC and taller than Jin Mao. It might get built in the future but the design will probably change.

13: Didn't know about this either.

14: Construction's supposed to start soon. Check this thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=188738&page=1 Ugly IMO and have no idea why it's called dubai tower. Why not burj doha or something?

15: I've seen the rendering before but don't know much else. Just a proposal probably

16: Don't know.

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18: No idea
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Old August 28th, 2005, 07:38 PM   #5
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for 11. Suyong Bay Tower, Busan, I'm sure it's cancelled. I remember reading Samsung was funding this one before the Asian financial crisis. That was a long time ago, so I'm possibly inaccurate.

15. Asia Plaza, Kaohsiung seems to have been around for years. Probably killed by the crisis as well, I believe it never was anything else than a proposal.

18. North Bund Tower, Shanghai - a superb tower, but also only a proposal I think. If I'm right, something else has been built (or is being built) at the proposed location, and it's much smaller. Maybe you'd have a better chance finding the info on SSP.

10. Busan Lotte Tower, Busan - I've seen a photo from this year, and it was nothing more than a cleared site with a little construction stuff here and there (really a little, I mean). Actually it has been like that for the past 2 or 3 years for this tower. I'm really wondering if Lotte Group is really going to build one of its 3 or 4 proposed supertall, one day Still this one seems to be the closest one to becoming a reality.

17. Nanjing International Finance Center Office Tower, Nanjing
If I'm correct, this one has gone through a redesign. It is now a 3 towers complex with two 200m+ towers and one 300m+. I've seen a construction pic showing that the two 200m+ towers are well underway. The 300m+ hasn't started yet (and there is no guarantee it will) but this project is definitely not dead.
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Old August 28th, 2005, 10:41 PM   #6
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10. Busan Lotte 2, as Pengui stated, did have the site cleared with a few bits of construction stuff there but as of late a partial hole is dug quite deep and below the water line as the wall acts like a cofferdam. As I stated, it is a partial excavation, probably on its way for a full excavation. I have information in that there was problems with another shorter but large square footage building near by and there was concern about the bridge that crosses the harbour as to weather it can handle the local traffic. I believe they just solved that issue and this final redesign is the last.

I guess that now we need to see how fast the excavation progress is happening and when the go ahead will be. I think Lotte 2 will most definitely go up.

1. This so-called Eiffel Ripoff was just a proposal and I don't think of it as anything serious. It's a dead issue.

5. Fordham... just my opinion here people but it will go through a redesign and either a height increase OR decrease. I don't hold too much stock in this design as is so we need to see if this Carley developer guy can really front the cash. NOT a definite go. Hold your breath lightly, but not too deep, so you won't black out.

4. Russia Tower....from 648m to 398m means a different building altogether don't you think? Not even the Russians know what is happening with this. No money I guess. I think this proposal is either dead or it will resurface as something else.

15. Asia Plaza was one of those super proposals that had its day. It's completion date was slated later and later and last we know it is all the way to 2011. No info on this as I feel it's time has come and gone.

16. Don't know about this but another giant building in Busan. My opinion? Forget it with capital letters. PIE in the SKY.

7. IBC..would have been a gem of a building but it was to be part of a huge complex that was never or would never be realized. By itself, developers stated that it would not be a go.

9. Chongquing Tower.....dead long time ago.
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Old August 29th, 2005, 12:12 AM   #7
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Shame about the IBC...
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Old August 29th, 2005, 12:19 AM   #8
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Thanks, some nice feedback there, guys.

Heh, I'm disappointed that the future of IBC in Seoul seems to look rather bleak... It's my favorite building on this list and I think that among all those projects it really stands out as a potential classic, sort of like Sears. Extremely tall, no stupid forced soaring spires (not that I don't like spires, but some of them look exaggerated and awkward on the proposed buildings), very cool design... To be honest, I think it looks better than Burj Dubai It's a shame it probably won't get built. The fact that it was approved makes it even more disappointing :/

Chongqing Tower would be probably my number two on the above list. Too bad it also seems to be a dead project.

Waiting for more info from other users. If you know anything about those projects, post it!
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Old August 29th, 2005, 12:31 AM   #9
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Old August 29th, 2005, 12:34 AM   #10
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http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=188113

Go there for render of international business centre.

And yes I agree it's better looking than the Burj Dubai and the burj is my favourite out of all supertalls U/C at the moment
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Old August 29th, 2005, 01:45 AM   #11
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Ah I'm sad about IBC too! I was actually gonna start a post about it. Very great looking tower.

Russia Tower used to be one of my faves too. But now that I think back the design is kind of outdated. But it is still nice.

Suyong Bay Tower, I remember hearing this was cancelled. Then I remembering hearing its back. I think it is dead.
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Old August 29th, 2005, 05:11 AM   #12
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Quote:
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7. IBC..would have been a gem of a building but it was to be part of a huge complex that was never or would never be realized. By itself, developers stated that it would not be a go.
Oh no :-(
I really liked it too...
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Old August 29th, 2005, 07:30 AM   #13
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only know about the 2 in my neck of the woods namely
2. Park Square Tower, Dubai (666m [?] / 150F) -As malec said its serious and Cityscape will revel more
14. Dubai Towers Doha, Doha (445m / 80F) -Some of the Doha foremers have noted that there is some site activity with hoarding and clearing going on. We know who the Project managers are as well as the head contract has been let to 2 Dubai construction firms. Havent heard about piling being let . but it might be under the main contract and not a seperate contract. So 80% U/C
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