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View Poll Results: Vote for the city with the greatest history.
Rome 90 45.23%
Athens 31 15.58%
Cairo 8 4.02%
Istanbul 27 13.57%
London 25 12.56%
Xian 18 9.05%
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Old September 2nd, 2005, 05:15 PM   #41
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Old September 2nd, 2005, 05:25 PM   #42
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Istanbul is a capitol of Two Empires. THis is a historical failure. THey think second Rome started with the disintegration of two parts.

Infact the main body was in the east because Constantine the Great carried the Empire to his city, Constantinople, in 320s... 2nd Rome starts with Christianity. Now many scholars think, 3rd Rome will start with Islam. So constantinople is the capitol of Christian and Islamic Roman Empires. Rome is the capitol of Pagan Roman Empire.

Athens is very very important for its theoritical sciences. If they did not exist, we would not have mathematics, physics, chemistry, etc...

Xian is just one of the zillions of Chinese capitols, there are many.

London 's importance, we are today discussing English nor French.

But all these were active dominators in different eras.

I know Damascus dominated Rome and Constantinople. Only Tang Dynasty was the equal of Umayyads.

I know Perspolis/Susa/Ecbatana (Persian empire had three capitols) dominated the world. The term empire came with Persians. USA is actually a Persian Empire for example or Roman Empire, or British Empire...

There are many many cities, many many...
If you would permit me to disagree with you on a couple of points.

The Roman Principate of Late Antiquity had several administrative capitals. Before the founding of Constantinople, the great urban triumvurate in the Mediteranean was Rome, Antioch (the de-facto administrative capital of the East), and Alexandria. As is expected, all three were centers of Christianity, if you note that they are centers of major Patriarchates, along with Jerusalem.

Even with the founding of Constantinople, the Christian Flavian Emperors continued to use Rome as the seat of the Western part of the Empire. Witness the fact that Contantia (Constanza), wife of the Ceasar Gallus of Antioch (brother of Julian) and sister to the Emperor Constantius (son of Constantine the Great), was buried in Rome. Note that the Adventus of the same Emperor Constantius was celebrated in Rome as holding Primacy over the Adventus celebrated in Constantinople. (the source, I believe, for this is the sophist Libanius of Antioch).

It was only in the division of the East and West under the Divine Theodosius (Honorious in Rome, and Arcadius in Constantinople) that the distinction between the two capitals became more prominent. Although written as propaganda for the General Stilico, the writings of the poet Claudian make clear the careful precedence was observed between Rome and Constantinople.

Hence, to say that Rome was not a capital of the Christian Roman empire is not accurate. Both Greek and Latin sources agree with my point.

As for Xi'an, it is not one of the millions of Chinese cities. At its height, Tang Xi'an was larger than Classical Rome, Byzantine Constantinople, AND Abbasid Baghdad. It was the most civilized city of the most powerful empire of its time. After that, it did decline irrevocably, but it does not change the fact that it ranks as one of the greatest cities in history.

P.S.: Also, Milan was a great imperial capital of the Western part of the Empire, as was Ravenna.

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Old September 2nd, 2005, 06:04 PM   #43
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Old September 4th, 2005, 01:41 PM   #44
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Xian - whose history begins over 7,000 years ago.
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Old September 7th, 2005, 03:19 AM   #45
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Old September 7th, 2005, 09:51 AM   #46
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I voted for Athens!! Thats where it all begun. btw istanbul and Constantinople are not the same.
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Old September 7th, 2005, 03:30 PM   #47
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First of all u never had an empire , coz u never had an emperor ; maybe was a kingdom with the largest colonialist policy .
Second : for the same reasons u`ve listed above , Paris should stay on poll too
I don`t wanna argue , don`t wanna look anti brits ( a really like UK ) , just want to be realistic.

You could argue Victoria was Empress of India though.
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Old September 7th, 2005, 03:31 PM   #48
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Byzance/Constantinople/Istanbul for me
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Old September 8th, 2005, 11:35 PM   #49
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Old September 10th, 2005, 01:09 AM   #50
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I'm going with London on this one. It's the youngest city on the list, but history is never about quantity. I'm voting for it because it lead the world as we know it through it's formative years. We are all speaking english now, right?

Read the book London by Edward Rutherford... a fascinating book that tells the tale of generations of fictional characters living in London since it was a bustling Roman outpost.
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Old September 10th, 2005, 06:52 PM   #51
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I think it would be unfair to vote for only one city since almost all of them are very important concerning the history of our civilization.
I vote for 3 most important cities though , who are at the same place for thousand of years...
: Athens , Roma , Constantinople (Istanbul)
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Old September 11th, 2005, 03:06 AM   #52
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for me it's a tough fight between athens and Xian.

the roman empired was based on greek politics (just to begin with).
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Old September 11th, 2005, 03:46 AM   #53
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Athens, know where else has so much intellectual thought and so many ideas that were at the time unique, coming from a tiny citizen population. Athens taught Rome how to live, it was only after the Roman Republic was thrown of that Rome became a visually great city, compared to the Greeks, those Romans were brutal and barbaric. Simply Barbarians with a constitution and literacy.

And if antiquity is no obstacle, how come New York isn't included, although its only four centuries old, enough events have taken place in it, why not include Alexandria, with a history far more illustrious than Cairo's, and a city that could rival both Athens and Rome in the High Ptolemaic Period.
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Old September 12th, 2005, 01:40 AM   #54
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Old September 12th, 2005, 03:26 AM   #55
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Old September 12th, 2005, 10:53 AM   #56
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Old September 14th, 2005, 01:07 AM   #57
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where is Jerusalem?
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Old September 14th, 2005, 01:29 AM   #58
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where is Jerusalem?

In mideast.
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Old September 14th, 2005, 01:48 AM   #59
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We the Spaniards also conquered some territories...
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Old September 14th, 2005, 01:51 AM   #60
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