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Old January 29th, 2007, 06:23 PM   #441
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BTW, there's a saying, It's not where you're from it's where you at.

Shakesphere is not born in London but he became known there.
Jackie Chan got 'known' internationally after his works made it to Hollywood. Does that make him American now by your logic?
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Old January 30th, 2007, 05:42 AM   #442
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Dubai is an old city but economic and urban developement just happened back in the early 90s. The city also has a rich Arabic heritage but the native Emiratis are only a minority in this city. I think the majority as Arabs from neighbouring countries like Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Yemen, etc.

Here's how I look at it, Dubai as it progress would not be just in business, finance and recreation. Modernization and globalization is also reaching it's residents especially the youths. Later on, the city will develop those dedicated to the arts whether it's music, poetry, visual art, etc.

BTW, there's a saying, It's not where you're from it's where you at.

Shakesphere is not born in London but he became known there.
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Jackie Chan got 'known' internationally after his works made it to Hollywood. Does that make him American now by your logic?

On the subject of Shakespeare, he basically lived in London, he worked in London, all his works were famous from London, he started his Playwrite and Acting School in London aswell as opening his Globe Theatre, in London. Not to mention, he wouldn't have been able to become world-famous if he worked out of Stratford-upon-Avon because the whole country was focused around London back then.

And on Jackie Chan, after he became famous worldwide through Hollywood, people realised he was also extremely famous in Hong Kong, which is now where he is a powerhouse actor/singer/martial artist. And he only made a fraction of his movies in America, and people know he's not American, that would just be stupid if anyone thought otherwise.

Bottom line, Jackie Chan made some fame through Hollywood, but is known for being from Hong Kong and famous in Hong Kong whereas Shakespeare made basically ALL his fame through London, it is a huge difference.

Ok now i think this is getting majorly off the topic haha
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Old January 30th, 2007, 07:01 PM   #443
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And on Jackie Chan, after he became famous worldwide through Hollywood, people realised he was also extremely famous in Hong Kong, which is now where he is a powerhouse actor/singer/martial artist. And he only made a fraction of his movies in America, and people know he's not American, that would just be stupid if anyone thought otherwise.

Bottom line, Jackie Chan made some fame through Hollywood, but is known for being from Hong Kong and famous in Hong Kong whereas Shakespeare made basically ALL his fame through London, it is a huge difference.

Ok now i think this is getting majorly off the topic haha
Actually, Jackie Chan has done a lot more work in Hollywood lately than in Hong Kong. I haven't seen him star in a Hong Kong movie for quite a while. He is 'at' Hollywood right now, and if people believe in the 'it's not where you're from it's where you're at' logic, which I think is very flawed from the start, then Jackie Chan is certainly not a Hong Konger from the work he is producing these days.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 07:12 PM   #444
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Business and municipal leaders discuss sustainable development in Stockholm
By MATTIAS KAREN
18 January 2007

STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) - Business and government leaders from 10 countries met in Stockholm on Thursday to discuss ways the public and private sectors can cooperate to enhance sustainable development.

The conference, hosted by Sweden's King Carl XVI Gustaf, was meant to help both "accelerate real change" toward sustainable leadership across sectors and battle problems from climate change to poverty, organizers said.

"This is a challenge of Churchillian dimensions, and the globe as a whole needs a much better leadership response," said David Cook, the chief executive of the Natural Step, a nonprofit research framework that organized the conference.

Such leadership must come from the ground up, said Ken Melamed, the mayor of the Canadian ski resort Whistler, which will host some of the Winter Olympics events outside Vancouver in 2010. The town has earned international recognition for its sustainable development initiatives, and Melamed said he hoped he would be able to influence other small towns to follow suit.

"Senior levels of government are not going to change until there is this groundswell grass-roots movement for sustainable development," he said. "The national governments really have failed us. They are not leading."

Phil Callaghan, a program director for the British government's sustainable development dialogues with China, India, Mexico and Brazil, said successful efforts in those countries could probably inspire other nations as well.

"Doing things on a consensus-building basis by default means it will take a long time before you see some changes," he said.

About 70 officials attended the conference, including from the United States, Japan, Brazil, France and Italy.
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Old January 31st, 2007, 07:14 AM   #445
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i'll say kuala lumpur....
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Old January 31st, 2007, 07:25 AM   #446
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On the subject of Shakespeare, he basically lived in London, he worked in London, all his works were famous from London, he started his Playwrite and Acting School in London aswell as opening his Globe Theatre, in London. Not to mention, he wouldn't have been able to become world-famous if he worked out of Stratford-upon-Avon because the whole country was focused around London back then.

And on Jackie Chan, after he became famous worldwide through Hollywood, people realised he was also extremely famous in Hong Kong, which is now where he is a powerhouse actor/singer/martial artist. And he only made a fraction of his movies in America, and people know he's not American, that would just be stupid if anyone thought otherwise.

Bottom line, Jackie Chan made some fame through Hollywood, but is known for being from Hong Kong and famous in Hong Kong whereas Shakespeare made basically ALL his fame through London, it is a huge difference.

Ok now i think this is getting majorly off the topic haha
Prior to Rush Hour, Jackie Chan did some low budget Hollywood films back in the mid 1980s like The Protector.

Anyway, Dubai should also develop it's people whether they are native Emiratis or not. Not just in business but also in the arts and science
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Old January 31st, 2007, 10:27 AM   #447
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Anyway, Dubai should also develop it's people whether they are native Emiratis or not. Not just in business but also in the arts and science
No country in the world is willing to spend the resources to bear the social responsibility of enriching the rest of the world. Governments have a mandate to take care of their own nation first, while they are under no obligation to help others out. In reality, foreign aid is generally available from the have countries, it is by no means compulsory, so it's somewhat odd that you hope Dubai should develop its people whether or not they are citizens. The migrants are getting a wage for their labour. Would it make sense to pay them above the market? Would that happen anywhere else in the world?
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Old February 5th, 2007, 02:10 AM   #448
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tokyo is the most futuristic city of the world.these hongkong supporters here arent very objective and just declares their city to the best (in any relations in this board). who cares about the transportation system? tokyo looks much more futuristic!
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Old February 5th, 2007, 04:24 AM   #449
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shanghai for now... also maybe dubai...
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Old February 5th, 2007, 10:00 AM   #450
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Infrastructure is a key component of how futuristic a city is. It's also an easily quantifiable measure, hence is an objective criterion. Building something that looks pretty but impractical will not make a city futuristic. There's a lot more beyond what's visible to the eye.
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tokyo is the most futuristic city of the world.these hongkong supporters here arent very objective and just declares their city to the best (in any relations in this board). who cares about the transportation system? tokyo looks much more futuristic!
We're not saying HK is the best but alot of people will agree that it's one of the most futuristic in the world.
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Old February 9th, 2007, 07:41 AM   #452
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Who's arguing that HK is more advanced than Japan? I'd like to know and recommend them to visit Japan to see for themselves!
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I totally agree that Tokyo is the most futuristic. With a booming economy and having the military as self-defense, Japan's is more investing in it's economy and infrastructure.
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Actually, the Japanese are trying to argue that a self-defense force is inadequate technologically to today's needs. However, the rest of Asia that suffered from Japan's WW2 atrocities are vocally against changing the status quo.

That being said, the technology that the average person on the street uses everyday is very advanced.
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Actually, the Japanese are trying to argue that a self-defense force is inadequate technologically to today's needs. However, the rest of Asia that suffered from Japan's WW2 atrocities are vocally against changing the status quo.

That being said, the technology that the average person on the street uses everyday is very advanced.
But these kinds of technology is also being used in other Asian countries like South Korea for example.
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Old February 9th, 2007, 10:35 AM   #456
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But these kinds of technology is also being used in other Asian countries like South Korea for example.
Not the electronics. A lot of it is not exported. I doubt foreign countries will let those advanced models come in and destroy their domestic industries either. Even the vending machine culture is uniquely Japanese.
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Not the electronics. A lot of it is not exported. I doubt foreign countries will let those advanced models come in and destroy their domestic industries either. Even the vending machine culture is uniquely Japanese.
If you can get a cell phone out of a vending machine in a Tokyo street is definitely something.
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If you can get a cell phone out of a vending machine in a Tokyo street is definitely something.
This is even more forward-thinking :

Imagine being penniless, stumbling through the ruins of Tokyo after a mighty earthquake in search of something to drink.
And what is it that comes to your rescue? A vending machine.

19 November 2005
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This is not a vision of the future, but here and now.

Local governments increasingly are signing contracts with drink manufacturers to install machines that operate on emergency batteries and are programmed to dispense drinks for free when disaster strikes.

In fact, you may have already unknowingly made a purchase from one with disaster-response features built in. According to the Japan Soft Drinks Association (JSDA), at least 900 such machines are already installed nationwide.

Since vending machines seemingly dot every street in Japan, officials realized they could be turned into handy drink storage stations in case of calamity.

After the Western Tottori Earthquake hit Yasugi, Shimane Prefecture, in 2000, city officials decided to install special vending machines at 24 locations, including in front of the city hall building, the civic gymnasium and the community center.

Each machine holds up to 550 bottles and cans. An electric bulletin board will flash messages that provide important information during a disaster.

The vending machines equipped with emergency batteries are connected by cellphone circuit to computers at the city hall.

In the event of a big earthquake or a typhoon hitting the area, Yasugi's disaster-countermeasure office will decide whether to instruct the vending machines to dispense drinks at no cost.

Once the decision is made, the message would be relayed by remote control.

The bulletin board atop each machine would continuously run crucial evacuation information, and the latest news on road blocks, landslides and so on.

The city signed a contract with Coca-Cola West Japan Co. in June to begin installing the machines.

Under the agreement, the city offers the site for drinks machines at no cost. Coca-Cola bears the cost of free drinks offered at times of disaster as well as the costs of keeping the machines in operation.

The company said it would give priority to replenishing stocks at these sites.

The city of Yasugi came into being last autumn through a merger of one city and two towns.

Initially, the city had problems trying to budget for an emergency stockpile of food and drinks.

"We are relieved that we can now offer a certain amount of drinks if a disaster strikes," said a city official. "Eventually, we hope to have about 40 such vending machines in operation." Otsuka Pharmaceutical Co. installed the first vending machine programmed with an emergency response at a junior high school in Yokohama in January 2001.

Otsuka Pharmaceutical was inspired to develop the prototype after the 1995 Great Hanshin Earthquake that leveled much of Kobe, killing more than 6,400 people. The earthquake caused power blackouts that made vending machines inoperable, adding to the misery of survivors, officials said.

The Coca-Cola group currently offers about 700 special vending machines nationwide, while Otsuka Pharmaceutical has about 100 operating in and around Tokyo.
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That's very innovative but it's also better to put in more water than coke. Also, the only bad thing if the supply runs out.
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When disaster strikes and there's nothing around, Coke will have to do.
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