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Old March 6th, 2007, 12:43 PM   #481
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You can't see by looking, but many buildings are built with significant technology, especially against an earthquake.

For example, Yokohama Landmark Tower has a pair of huge pendulums to reduce the shake to 30%. KDDI Building in Shinjuku is just a plain and ugly building in appearance, but actually designed to withstand an earthquake 10 times stronger than the Great Kanto Earthquake. In Harumi Triton Square, three blocks are joined up with two dampers.
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Old March 6th, 2007, 03:47 PM   #482
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Exactly ... just like people can't see basement farms or skygardens just by looking at the building from the street.
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Old March 6th, 2007, 05:51 PM   #483
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And if they do I prefer not to stay in one.
Well of course I meant U/C underwater hotels ,


Now, thats one place where I'd like to reside.
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Old March 7th, 2007, 12:49 AM   #484
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But there is no old architecture in Tokyo. The city looks like it was built entirely in the 80s.
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Old March 7th, 2007, 04:00 AM   #485
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I would have to say Dubai because of the designs of their buildings, coupled with their pushing the envelope in many aspects.
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Old March 7th, 2007, 04:38 AM   #486
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But there is no old architecture in Tokyo. The city looks like it was built entirely in the 80s.
There are some old buildings such as the one in Ginza.

Tokyo even during the 60s or 70s look futuristic.

Here's an image of Ginza during the 1950s

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Old March 7th, 2007, 07:11 AM   #487
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Tokyo was bombed to the ground, much like a lot of German cities, during WW2. For historical architecture, visit Kyoto and Nara, the former imperial capitals.





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Old March 7th, 2007, 07:56 AM   #488
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One thing I noticed with most Japanese cities are they mostly have overhead electricity lines unlike Euro cities which are underground. Its because Japan is more prone to earthquakes
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Old March 7th, 2007, 09:12 AM   #489
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One thing I noticed with most Japanese cities are they mostly have overhead electricity lines unlike Euro cities which are underground. Its because Japan is more prone to earthquakes
Having utilities buried underground poses a major safety risk in earthquake-prone regions. Many of the fires that arose from the Great Hanshin quake (Kobe/Osaka/Kansai region) were due to gas mains rupturing. Imagine electrical wires coming into contact with the underground gas mains if both are buried in near proximity.
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I know Tokyo was bombed but look at Berlin and other Germans cities that got badly bombed in the war. They still have a lot more old architecture than Tokyo.
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I know Tokyo was bombed but look at Berlin and other Germans cities that got badly bombed in the war. They still have a lot more old architecture than Tokyo.
Remember Japanese architecture is made of wood. Incendiary bombs burned out everything.
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Old March 7th, 2007, 06:16 PM   #492
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So the whole city was flattened?
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Old March 7th, 2007, 10:01 PM   #493
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Effectively, yes.

Anyway, it seems that people's definations of 'futuristic' vary. Here we seem to be equating futuristic with everyday adoption of new technology, that would be one element of what might make a place futuristic but only one I think. It really depends on what kind of future we're imagining.

Is it an ordered future where everything is run efficiently, the city is well planned and full of well designed modern buildings etc? In which case somewhere like Singapore might be considered most futuristic.

On the other hand are we imagining a Bladerunner (or others similar) type future where corporations run the show. From the distance all you see is a skyline of amazing corporate headquarters in 200 story skyscrapers but when you get up close, no sunlight reaches ground level and huge parts of the city are ghettos run by gangs and full of dirt poor people while the rich live a completely segregated life on the 100th floor. In which case maybe the closest thing we currently have is Sao Paolo, Johannesburg or even Shanghai with its amazing corporate skyscrapers not far from poor areas (I know that's likely an unfair reflection on these cities but they were the first that popped into my head).

Is our vision of the future one of a post apocalyptic world that has decended into complete anarchy? If so, Baghdad.

The technologically deterministic view of the future that's been talked about here is only one such view. Perhaps a better way of discussing this would be to name a city, explain how that city exemplifies a particular vision of the future and maybe point to similar examples in books, movies etc.
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Old March 8th, 2007, 04:09 AM   #494
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A bit earlier, I floated an idea of sustainable development as a futuristic element. That and the adoption of new technology would be easier to measure, although not necessarily easily quantifiable. Efficiency would not be a good measure of futurism. For example, dictatorships and one-party states are incredibly efficient. Their proposals can become reality quickly as they neither need to consult nor seek approval. While the process itself is efficient, the plan itself may not be. An example would be the demolition of hutong neighborhoods in Beijing. The government said they'll redevelop them, and people were kicked out. Incredibly efficient. Is it futuristic? Well, what is coming up in those razed lands?
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Effectively, yes.

Anyway, it seems that people's definations of 'futuristic' vary. Here we seem to be equating futuristic with everyday adoption of new technology, that would be one element of what might make a place futuristic but only one I think. It really depends on what kind of future we're imagining.

Is it an ordered future where everything is run efficiently, the city is well planned and full of well designed modern buildings etc? In which case somewhere like Singapore might be considered most futuristic.

On the other hand are we imagining a Bladerunner (or others similar) type future where corporations run the show. From the distance all you see is a skyline of amazing corporate headquarters in 200 story skyscrapers but when you get up close, no sunlight reaches ground level and huge parts of the city are ghettos run by gangs and full of dirt poor people while the rich live a completely segregated life on the 100th floor. In which case maybe the closest thing we currently have is Sao Paolo, Johannesburg or even Shanghai with its amazing corporate skyscrapers not far from poor areas (I know that's likely an unfair reflection on these cities but they were the first that popped into my head).

Is our vision of the future one of a post apocalyptic world that has decended into complete anarchy? If so, Baghdad.

The technologically deterministic view of the future that's been talked about here is only one such view. Perhaps a better way of discussing this would be to name a city, explain how that city exemplifies a particular vision of the future and maybe point to similar examples in books, movies etc.
I can imagine a Blade Runner style future. Johannesburg on the other hand is a bit different than Sampa or Shanghai. It's skyscrapers are mostly in the city centre. I kinda look at the skyline similar to most mid-size US cities.
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Old March 8th, 2007, 10:26 AM   #496
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I hope aspirations for the future won't degenerate into a war-torn anarchy. I thought we're supposed to progress forward, not backward.
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I hope aspirations for the future won't degenerate into a war-torn anarchy. I thought we're supposed to progress forward, not backward.
I also hope that won't happen. But to be honest, life today is much better compared to the mid 20th century or before.
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Old March 8th, 2007, 11:42 AM   #498
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I also hope that won't happen. But to be honest, life today is much better compared to the mid 20th century or before.
Well, depends on where you live. The trend has been for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer.
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Old March 8th, 2007, 08:02 PM   #499
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Anyone who's interested, take a look at this:
http://www.foresight.gov.uk/Previous...arios_2055.pdf

I'm finding it an interesting read. Definately Tokyo is probably the closest thing that exists now to the 'Perpetual Motion' scenario.
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Old March 9th, 2007, 03:39 AM   #500
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I Can't tell which is the most futuristic. It depnds on the technology. So I think that Tokyo or somewhat is futuristic.
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