Sydney's LIGHT RAIL VISION

[cammo2004]

Originally Posted by sirhc8

This is a proposal from the operator of the current line(black):

That would be good. They certainly know what they're doing... What I like about it is that it fills the gaps that the rail network doesn't.

One addition I'd make to that system though - I'd extend the line to UNSW into Randwick. It'd save me some time, that's for sure (every few years I have to head out there for an appointment with the eye clinic at POWH.

[Jimmy James]

Wow that's some massive expansion - is there room on those roads for trams?

[Trances]

not on some of the roads
not sure how it would work as system as well

[James Saito]

OxFord St line to Bondi Beach would be really good one to have.
I want it even before George St line.

[tayser]

what's the point in the King's Cross line? provide some really high frequency bus routes going straight past the station and the ride will be quicker on the train line that already exists...

nice eye candy though.

[Randwicked]

Originally Posted by tayser

what's the point in the King's Cross line? provide some really high frequency bus routes going straight past the station and the ride will be quicker on the train line that already exists...

nice eye candy though.

There already is the highest frequency, most crowded bus route in Sydney (Australia?) running that route. Plenty of demand for Light Rail, I think.

EDIT: Whoops, I be thinking of Oxford St. Never mind.

[Trances]

might be nice, add to william St, If lanes were not being closed
Still feel William St has a great chance but it wont happen for long long time

[Randwicked]

I'm more interested in how they think they're going to run a tram down Foveaux St. It would have to be cable-hauled, it's too steep.

EDIT AGAIN (TODAY IS NOT MY DAY): That's Albion St. Still steep though.

[smeghead]

Foveaux St has a steep incline (or decline which ever way you look at it) just west of of Riley St or Forresters. Whereas the slope on Albion St is stretched over a longer distance so it's not as bad - thats probably why Albion St is eastbound/uphill.

I would've thought they'd prefer to send the tram via Elizabeth/Chalmers Sts and Cleveland St. ie. replace the 393 and 395 buses.

Cammo, the Randwick extn is a tough one. If you extend it up High St: #1 the gradient, #2 you've missed the front entrance to UNSW. Plus Randwick-City is shorter via Alison Rd. Would Randwickers mind the delay? Or would they rather bus it along Alison Rd as they do today.

Re: Balmain: The tram line would also take people to the ferry wharf, so they can get into the CBD that way which may be quicker or comparable to tramming it via Pyrmont.

[Randwicked]

I'd like that...get a tram directly from my place to Abdul's on the corner. I'd never cook again.

[papervagina]

I think Albion is also too steep. When there's any water on the road almost everyone spins their wheels pulling away from the lights at Riley Street - it would be pretty scary in a tram.

[hornetfig]

yeah I don't think any of the thoroughfares except Cleveland St are suitable for LRVs.

[cammo2004]

Originally Posted by hornetfig

yeah I don't think any of the thoroughfares except Cleveland St are suitable for LRVs.

You sure? Not even Oxford St?

[hornetfig]

Oxford St is fine, better grades than Cleveland St, but not a good way to Central Station from the South-East....

[Nick]

Will these proposals ever materialise

I doubt it.I dont trust any NSW governemt to deliver

[MrPC]

Originally Posted by Jimmy James

Wow that's some massive expansion - is there room on those roads for trams?

If there's room for trams on Glenhuntly Road, Elsternwick; Smith Street, Collingwood; Brunswick Street, Fitzroy; Sydney Road (Hume Highway); Brunswick/Coburg; Victoria Street, Abbotsford; and Chapel Street, Prahran/Windsor, then there's room for trams just about anywhere in Sydney.

Not that I support the sort of plans that are bandied around in Sydney from time to time, nor do I even support maintaining that pithy little line through Pyrmont that you can't even use TravelPass on. Modern light rail is the worst of all worlds, offering all of the disadvantages of trains (few stops, inconvenient stopping locations, massive cost to implement new systems, political opposition) and few of the advantages (can't move significantly more people than buses).

[Muse]

Originally Posted by Nick

Will these proposals ever materialise?

I doubt it. I dont trust any NSW government to deliver.

First sensible and real comment in the whole thread.

It keeps them in their jobs ie to come up with proposals that will never eventuate. It's an $$$ munching "industry" in itself. No wonder there is still a transport budget - a fraction is put aside for giving us new bus stops every couple of years, to make it look like something is happening. lol

[Nick]

Originally Posted by Muse

First sensible and real comment in the whole thread.

It keeps them in their jobs ie to come up with proposals that will never eventuate. It's an $$$ munching "industry" in itself. No wonder there is still a transport budget - a fraction is put aside for giving us new bus stops every couple of years, to make it look like something is happening. lol

Yep.

The history of proposals speaks for itself.

The Eastern Suburbs railway.Only completed to Bondi Junction.

The Parramatta-Chatswood line???? Only to Epping?

[cammo2004]

Originally Posted by Nick

Yep.

The history of proposals speaks for itself.

The Eastern Suburbs railway.Only completed to Bondi Junction.

The Parramatta-Chatswood line???? Only to Epping?

The main reason the ESR only got to BJ was that scourge commonly known as the NIMBY. Basically they protested about the noise created by the construction, got an injunction, and the company that was building the line could only get as far as BJ in the time allowed.

The State Government then took the opportunity to try and not pay for it.

How do I know this? The State Govt case was mentioned in my Comm Law textbook. Saw that, and thought 'typical'.

[hornetfig]

Codelfa Construction v State Rail Authority of NSW? That is one of the leading cases on contract law in Australia, but it came to the High Court in 1983(?) which is years after railway opened and even more years after the residents' injunction (which prevented tunnelling at night and on Sundays) affected Codelfa's tunnelling works in the first place.

The railway was truncated due to costs. Other cost cutting measures included the abandonment of Woollahra Station (which did suit residents), the elimination of shopping facilities at Bondi Junction and the reduction of their size at Martin Place. The bus interchanges and station appointments were also scaled back. Some things were rejected though, like only tiling four carriage lengths of the platforms (the ESR operating with 4 car shuttles 12 times an hour from 1979 to 1981 until the second track from Central to Erskineville and Redfern station were completed)

http://photos.misc.enfiladestudios.c...rt-oct1976.pdf

(sourced by Hubert Lam from SLNSW IIRC)