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Old September 7th, 2005, 07:20 AM   #21
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Is there any system where the card doesn't even need to be placed near the reader? That is, just walk through as if there was no gate there... that would be ideal.
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Old September 7th, 2005, 05:34 PM   #22
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Vancouver's Skytrain (cross between light and heavy rail) uses an honour system, so there are no gates. Occasionally you see an enforcement officer check your ticket on the train or at the station.

Toronto's GO commuter trains also use an honour system. There are no gates but passengers need to stamp their tickets on machines available at stations.
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Old September 7th, 2005, 06:09 PM   #23
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Automatic ticket doors were invented by Omron, a electronic company in Kyoto and world-first used in Osaka Subways in 1967.
Since then, I'm sure this kind of automatic wicket is most advanced and convenient for everyone.


As doubleR said, in the stations in Japan, the barriars always stay open but close automatically if you try cheating. The reaction time is less than 0.1 second! So you can easily touch and go through the gates, no need to push down the turnstiles.
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Old September 14th, 2005, 06:19 AM   #24
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Okay, perhaps I was misunderstood.

I meant, is there an existing system (besides honour, of course) where you can walk through the gate without taking any special action at all, and it would automatically check your fare?

As far as I know, even on these "contactless" ones posted so far, the card still has to be placed within close proximity of the reader.
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Old September 14th, 2005, 07:00 AM   #25
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Los Angeles has no gates for some reason. I think they intend to add some though.
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Old September 14th, 2005, 10:50 AM   #26
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Melbourne only has gates in stations in and near the CBD, they're also ready for the contactless cards, but all tickets are still the typical magnetic stripe cards.

Some suburban stations have gates but there's always one open for the disabled and those with bicycles and other large items and there aren't staff at most of the ticket barriers (or in the stations at all) any more.
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Old December 14th, 2008, 05:16 PM   #27
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Los Angeles has no gates for some reason. I think they intend to add some though.
Yes it has no gates but sometimes security have random inspections inside the trains. So whether it has gates or not, better buy a ticket cause the chance of riding the metro without one and getting away with it is 50/50
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Old December 14th, 2008, 07:09 PM   #28
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Montreal has just about fully embarked on its third generation of turnstiles. This latest model's cheap, reminding me of the sort that, say, equips travelling fairs -- their advent's coupled to the network's new, botched fare-collection scheme.

The second generation was the best, e.g, its flawless hydraulics, its proper height, etc.

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Two turnstiles at the TTC's Finch station have not worked for months.
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Broken-down turnstiles are causing rush-hour bottlenecks at the TTC's Finch station.

If there is anything that requires all its components to work smoothly to provide optimal service, it's the subway.

Trains and tracks are at the heart of a system designed to quickly move people across large distances, but small things like doors, escalators and automated equipment must be in good order for it to be efficient during peak periods, when hundreds of thousands of people cram the subway at the same time.

Michael Sheiner emailed to say two turnstiles at the south entrance to the sprawling Finch subway station, at Yonge St. and Finch Ave., have been cordoned off for months. When they're working, the turnstiles accept tokens and Metropasses, which makes it much easier to get in during rush hour by allowing riders to bypass the collector's booth. "You have to either wait in line to see the person in the booth, or use one of the two `token-only' turnstiles that are in working order, which is very inconvenient," he said.

Finch is the north terminus for the Yonge subway line, with buses from York Region's Viva service and GO Transit dropping off riders, as well as the TTC's own buses, making it one of the busiest stations in the system.

All that commuter traffic creates wear and tear on the infrastructure, which is painfully apparent at Finch. When we were there Monday, stairs descending from the northwest corner of Yonge and Finch were littered with trash and narrowed at the bottom by plywood hoarding.

Just a few metres from the out-of-service turnstiles was an area of floor next to a wall that is closed off by barricades. Some floor tiles have been removed within the area, with a bunch of sand bags in the middle of it. We were told it's been that way for six months.

The TTC is trying hard to improve the appearance of stations, which is evident at some, like the downtown Museum station. But there's a long way to go at Finch.

STATUS: A TTC employee working in the collector's booth next to the turnstiles said they haven't been fixed due to a delay in obtaining parts. Danny Nicholson, who deals with media for TTC, is getting back to us with a timeline for repairs.

UPDATE: Our Monday column detailed how The Fixer got a $39.80 wagering voucher from a self-serve betting terminal at a Champions horse racing teletheatre that couldn't be cashed. Jane Holmes, of Woodbine Gaming and Entertainment, called to say it was due to an error by a mutuels clerk, and has since refunded us the money. We'll round it up to $50 and donate it to the Sportsmen's Corner of the Star's Santa Claus fund.

What's broken in your neighbourhood? Wherever you are in Greater Toronto, we want to know. To email us, go to www.thestar.com/thefixer and click on the submit a problem link. Or call us at 416-869-4823.

source: http://www.thestar.com/GTA/Fixer/article/551288
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Old December 15th, 2008, 10:23 AM   #29
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An article today that Auckland in New Zealand is considering gates in the next few years to minimise fare dodgers. We have a really archaic system at the moment.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10548037

The problem is that we still use a paper-ticket system (told you it was archaic), so that'll need to change I imagine. A smart card system is supposedly going to be introduced in Auckland.... eventually.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 10:48 AM   #30
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An article today that Auckland in New Zealand is considering gates in the next few years to minimise fare dodgers. We have a really archaic system at the moment.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10548037

The problem is that we still use a paper-ticket system (told you it was archaic), so that'll need to change I imagine. A smart card system is supposedly going to be introduced in Auckland.... eventually.
Not only are they paper tickets, but we have people who walk up and down the train clipping the tickets too! This on an urban rail system not on an intercity train!

The article from the NZ Herald is a bit rediculous too. They don't consider automatic machines for tickets, which are the norm in most transit networks that I've ever used. That would be a lot better than buying from the window at Britomart. Placing automatic ticket dispensers on trains too would be a good move too if we develop a zonal system for integrated ticketing. Buying tickets from the window at Britomart is an absolute pain as bus tickets for each operator as well as tertiary tickets (one of only two or three places that sell tertiary tickets in the whole city) and train tickets are dispensed from three windows with one window being cash only. Three windows simply isn't enough for those who need to pay their ticket before travelling.

Also, I don't know what "overseas" stations the NZ Herald reporters have been to, but most don't actually have ticket barriers in their main stations, they more exist in metro stations. Of course there are exceptions as most of the London commuter lines have fare gates (I remember when they were first installed in Northampton), however, even the most modern stations up north like Manchester Picadilly didn't have fare gates.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 10:51 AM   #31
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Well it seems obvious that ticket machines would be necessary. Necessary at every station I would imagine, to allow people to get onto the train with a valid ticket. That's a pretty significant cost.

Where would the gates go at Britomart? Right down at the platform level?
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Old December 15th, 2008, 11:08 AM   #32
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Sorry guys, we'll take this discussion to the Kiwi boards so as not to clog the thread. Auckland currently has no gates for fare collection.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 11:47 AM   #33
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An article today that Auckland in New Zealand is considering gates in the next few years to minimise fare dodgers. We have a really archaic system at the moment.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10548037

The problem is that we still use a paper-ticket system (told you it was archaic), so that'll need to change I imagine. A smart card system is supposedly going to be introduced in Auckland.... eventually.
How easy would it be for Auckland to implement a smartcard? You're not in a Syd/Melb type situation with numerous companies having their hands in the public transport pie are you?

It would be great for NZ to have a country-wide smartcard. Your nation isn't divided up into states with varying laws and Government departments, so it shouldn't be too hard (I guess!).

I can't believe they still punch a hole in the tickets.... that's cute.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 12:07 PM   #34
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How easy would it be for Auckland to implement a smartcard? You're not in a Syd/Melb type situation with numerous companies having their hands in the public transport pie are you?

It would be great for NZ to have a country-wide smartcard. Your nation isn't divided up into states with varying laws and Government departments, so it shouldn't be too hard (I guess!).

I can't believe they still punch a hole in the tickets.... that's cute.
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We're in a worse situation than Sydney/Melbourne. At least in Melbourne you have the metcard which all operators have to adhere to. Here we have seperate ticketing systems for all operators to a worse extent than Sydney. Not only that, but private operators have significant power here to dictate to the regional council what routes they want to run and whether or not the routes are "profitable". The legislation is changing however, but it is taking its sweet time. Private operators have much less scope to dictate than they once did thankfully.

Currently, the operators which have different ticketing systems include NZ Bus Limited, Howick & Eastern Bus, Birkenhead Transport, Urban Express, Richies Coach Lines, Fullers Ferries and Veolia Auckland. There are no government/regional council run buses in Auckland, everything is privatised.

No city in NZ thus far has integrated ticketing so I would be highly sceptical as to whether or not a countrywide smart card could ever be put into practice. Auckland and Wellington have some degree of chance as NZ Bus operates in both cities, but beyond that, nah.
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The legislation has changed, however its effects will take a while to filter through as existing contracts come up for renewing. Integrated ticketing with existing technology is due by the end of next year, and a smart-card system for Auckland should be implemented before 2011. I have my doubts though.
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Old December 15th, 2008, 11:55 PM   #36
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This isn't a metro - but it has standard fare-turnstiles. You pass the card over the reader (don't have to insert it). Personally I'm amazed at "honour" fare systems like Vancouver's - I know alot of people who get away with riding free and never seem to be caught by the fare checkers.

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Old December 16th, 2008, 12:13 AM   #37
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That's the same situation as most smart-card systems. London's Oyster card is a classic example of where you don't need to insert it, just place it near the sensor.
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Old December 16th, 2008, 03:33 AM   #38
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The Wellington Cable Car in NZ has automatic fare gates at the Lambton Quay (city) station. Single and return tickets are read by bar code scanners, multi-trip are stored on swipe cards (no smartcards yet unfortunately).
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Old December 16th, 2008, 04:47 AM   #39
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Floor generation

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