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Old May 2nd, 2010, 11:52 AM   #301
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^ Here in Poland we have totally opposite situation. The car on the left must yield to the car on the right when exiting the roundabout.
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 05:41 PM   #302
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why on earth would you design it so you can go all the way round in either lane. You have just made one of the safest intersections one of the most dangerous.
I have NO idea why, or HOW the Alberta Government came up with that nonsense for navigating a multi-lane traffic circle.
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 06:52 PM   #303
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We don't have Zebras on junctions in the UK. Unless there's a red light, pedestrians have no power, whatsoever.
You do however, owe other road users (such as pedestrians) a duty of care.

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Old May 2nd, 2010, 07:34 PM   #304
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If we can consider this place as a junction and zebra crossing as a part of it, I would say: yes, you have.




Regardless of traffic rules, I have never seen a driver who wouldn't stop before zebra seeing a pedestrian waiting by the crossing, in particular before that one with yellow bulbs. I mean driver in Britain, of course. However it's more matter of politeness than any rule.
Zebra crossings here are much less common and are officially a midblock crossing and not to be used at junctions. In the rest of Europe though, for example, they are standard to all junctions. As link_road_17/7 says, you are, in theory, supposed to look out for pedestrians, particularly when turning, but in practice, the pedestrian has to give way to the vehicle or die.
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Old May 6th, 2010, 12:25 PM   #305
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this one's interesting, sorry it's a bit huge

http://www.delmagyar.hu/forum-kepek/215/B2145306.jpg
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Old May 6th, 2010, 01:15 PM   #306
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How about the ultra-turbo roundabout? It has up to six lanes divided over 3 roadways.

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Old May 6th, 2010, 02:15 PM   #307
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yes, allthough i must say we are still "learning" to do that, and if you look at pedestrians they still are very carefull before crossing because the old practice was not to yield to pedestrians (on the other hand, some make a protest of this and step in front of vehicles regardless of the situation). Also it is normal to drive about 70 km/h on a 50 km/h road which makes it hard to notice and stop for people crossing, plus it's dangerous because there's a chance of getting rammed by the car behind you. Another factor is older zebras not very visible, so there are a number of things having an effect.
It was interesting when I was in Europe, in countries like the UK, Netherlands and Germany motorists always gave way at zebra crossings. But when I was in Italy and France, nobody gave way, so I had to risk my life and walk out onto the road to stop traffic so I could cross. I think Hungary was a bit of a gamble too. I came to the conclusion that maybe in some countries zebra crossings are just a guide as to where you can cross the road, and vehicles don't have to give way.

In Australia vehicles have to stop at zebra crossings, every vehicle does unless they make a mistake. Though there are some zebra crossings in ridiculous locations.

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Old May 6th, 2010, 02:43 PM   #308
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How about the ultra-turbo roundabout? It has up to six lanes divided over 3 roadways.
whoa! thats hot!
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Old May 6th, 2010, 02:49 PM   #309
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It was interesting when I was in Europe, in countries like the UK, Netherlands and Germany motorists always gave way at zebra crossings. But when I was in Italy and France, nobody gave way, so I had to risk my life and walk out onto the road to stop traffic so I could cross. I think Hungary was a bit of a gamble too. I came to the conclusion that maybe in some countries zebra crossings are just a guide as to where you can cross the road, and vehicles don't have to give way.

In Australia vehicles have to stop at zebra crossings, every vehicle does unless they make a mistake. Though there are some zebra crossings in ridiculous locations.
well the rule is you should yield. The dangerous situation occurs when there's a high traffic road, where cars just follow each other at say 80-90 km/h and theres a zebra crossing without trafficlights. If you stop for a pedestrian suddenly, you might find yourself getting hit from behind (and maybe even run over the person, beacause of this).
Its probably different in different countries, e.g in England most pedestrian crossings aren't zebras, they are just marked with a sort of dotted line on the sides, and cars dont have to yield (and they won't either), whereas at proper zebras (with the flashing yellow lights, much less frequent) you can just step on the road they will stop.
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Old May 6th, 2010, 05:56 PM   #310
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In Estonia, cars have to yield to pedestrians at pedestrian crossings. The maximum speed is very rarely, if ever, above 50km/h at unregulated zebra crossings. 10 years ago, few cars gave way at pedestrian crossings but now most of them do.

BTW, there is also a rule that if there's a pedestrian crossing within 100 metres, one must cross the road via the zebra crossing.

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Zebra crossings on roads with a higher speed limit than 50 are dangerous. Not to mention they don't belong on 4-lane divided highways outside city limits as you see in some countries.
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Old May 7th, 2010, 07:24 AM   #312
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here's Hungary's probably most well known roundabout, which actually wasn't a roundabout up untill a couple of years back as the road from the tunel to the bridge had priority




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wow posts getting mixed up in time again
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Old May 7th, 2010, 10:06 AM   #314
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well the rule is you should yield. The dangerous situation occurs when there's a high traffic road, where cars just follow each other at say 80-90 km/h and theres a zebra crossing without trafficlights. If you stop for a pedestrian suddenly, you might find yourself getting hit from behind (and maybe even run over the person, beacause of this).
Its probably different in different countries, e.g in England most pedestrian crossings aren't zebras, they are just marked with a sort of dotted line on the sides, and cars dont have to yield (and they won't either), whereas at proper zebras (with the flashing yellow lights, much less frequent) you can just step on the road they will stop.
We only have zebra crossings in Australia for area's 50k's and under, then there are pedestrian crossing traffic lights or over/underpasses for 60k's and over.
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Old May 7th, 2010, 02:04 PM   #315
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yes in Budapest those are extreme cases too, not usual but they allways get mentioned in news how rude drivers are, and of course names like "death-crossing" are given. But noone thinks of the dangers of stopping like i've mentioned before.
There's one particular spot, on a very busy road, where you drive out to M1-M7(!!!), just before two 2 laned roads join together and turn into a separated mway. here it is:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=4...02747&t=h&z=19

(Budaörsi and Nagyszőlős join here and continue to be M1-M7 (to the south on the picture)
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Old May 7th, 2010, 02:14 PM   #316
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i dont mind round abouts, but they are awful when traffic lights are used in conjuntion. The one i hate the most is Hanger lane round about in London, it is simply awful. combined with bad london drivers it is just disgusting
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Old May 12th, 2010, 11:39 AM   #317
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How about the ultra-turbo roundabout? It has up to six lanes divided over 3 roadways.

http://i43.************/20z8l5h.jpg
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whoa! thats hot!
This area just happened to get an update in Google Earth imagery.

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location: N470/N472 in Pijnacker (east of Delft).
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Old May 12th, 2010, 12:17 PM   #318
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The roundabout has traffic lights. Is it more effective than a normal crossing ?
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I don't know. As far as I know, these kind of super turbo roundabouts are very rare in the Netherlands, there may be only a handful of them. It could be a pilot to test it's efficiency.

This type of roundabouts is so space-consuming that you only see them in completely new situations, for example Pijnacker grew from a small village to a large suburb with a lot of new development. Then you have the space to experiment with roundabouts like these.

Another downside is that the signage definitely requires overhead portals, but the 600m announcement sign is not, so they become very complicated to comprehend for drivers.
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Old May 12th, 2010, 12:26 PM   #320
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The roundabout has traffic lights. Is it more effective than a normal crossing ?
Yes, as it 'internalises' left turns so allows for a higher throughput.
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