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Old February 4th, 2011, 04:15 PM   #441
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Here is a beautiful pic of the Sandyford exit (14) on the M50 in the December snow.
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M50 Sandyford Interchange. Photo, ARMN Paddy Reilly, 105 Sqn by Irish Air Corps, on Flickr

(credit to "Irish and Proud" on boards.ie for finding this)
great picture! beautiful shape!
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Old February 4th, 2011, 08:02 PM   #442
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thats exactly what i was about to say. haven't been to the south either
I was in Naples in 1994. Absolute and complete chaos. Even Trieste used to be chaotic for me, but it's better now.
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Old February 4th, 2011, 09:09 PM   #443
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Unfortunately you're right. I'm Italian and I'm used to criticize my country a lot... but when a foreigner does... I don't know, I fend off

I have to say that in small towns and in the countryside, even in the South, driving is very relaxed. Palermo, Naples and Rome, above all cities, are a real mess though. But even Florence can be real messy.
Even so, it was an unfair comment, apologies.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 11:02 PM   #444
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I was in Naples in 1994. Absolute and complete chaos. Even Trieste used to be chaotic for me, but it's better now.


naah Trieste is chilled

I got as far south as Tuscany it wasn't much different to the north and Italy is where i've driven most abroad, and Romania now i think of it, but thats a different story
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Old February 5th, 2011, 11:52 PM   #445
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I don't know, Florence was already pretty crazy (at least it was ten years ago).
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Old February 6th, 2011, 03:32 PM   #446
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A rather nice little roundabout in Pécs, Hungary

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/o...l/28694894.jpg


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Old February 6th, 2011, 06:24 PM   #447
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Beautiful architecture.
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Old February 6th, 2011, 11:27 PM   #448
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So i just read somewhere in this thread in a comment on one of the uploaded pictures, that the drivers must had forgot the rule "full stop" i think its called; wait to enter until its free, but i know that in France, at least a long time ago, the drivers inside the roundabout must stop for the incoming drivers, is there anywhere its still like this ?
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Old February 6th, 2011, 11:37 PM   #449
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So i just read somewhere in this thread in a comment on one of the uploaded pictures, that the drivers must had forgot the rule "full stop" i think its called; wait to enter until its free, but i know that in France, at least a long time ago, the drivers inside the roundabout must stop for the incoming drivers, is there anywhere its still like this ?
I know you have to give way to traffic already in the roundabout. That's pretty much universal, but traffic already IN the roundabout having to give way to traffic entering... I dunno. That makes no sense to me.
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Old February 7th, 2011, 12:50 AM   #450
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Imagine dense traffic in the huge roundabout around the Arc de Triomphe in Paris giving way to a car entering the roundabout from a side street. That's what actually used to happen there (or still does, I'm not sure).
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Old February 7th, 2011, 12:55 PM   #451
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That's also the case in Estonia. Even at roundabouts you have to yield to traffic coming from the right but since 100% of roundabouts have yield signs for traffic entering the roundabout, de facto traffic on the roundabout always has priority.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 12:36 AM   #452
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Imagine dense traffic in the huge roundabout around the Arc de Triomphe in Paris giving way to a car entering the roundabout from a side street. That's what actually used to happen there (or still does, I'm not sure).
The Arc de Triomphe is an enigma in itself, as well as being the only place in Europe that you can drive with no insurance whatsoever (Insurance is automatically void within that roundabout). I think what happens there is, is that some drivers give way to traffic already in it, while others give way to traffic entering. The rest of the issues, is due simply to the sheer volume of traffic trying to safely maneuver as it has no marked lanes.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 12:39 AM   #453
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The Arc de Triomphe is an enigma in itself, as well as being the only place in Europe that you can drive with no insurance whatsoever (Insurance is automatically void within that roundabout).
Is this for real or it's just a joke?
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Old February 8th, 2011, 12:42 AM   #454
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Is this for real or it's just a joke?
To which? Being an enigma, or the insurance bit?
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To which? Being an enigma, or the insurance bit?
The insurance, of course
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From what I understand, it has to do with risk. Given the number of collisions that occur there each year, The deductible would have been astronomical. As a result, most, if not all insurance companies won't cover you if you have a fender bender there, regardless of how minor.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 12:53 AM   #457
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It sounds like the insurance companies are robbing poor people that have accidents in the roundabout. IMO it's also the Paris Administration foult for not giving a clear set of rules within that roundabout (either those who enter have to give way, either the other way - but say which one!).
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No only that, there's no marked lanes to speak of. That's on top of how it's next to impossible to establish a decent method of controlling traffic there without making major changes to traffic flow.
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Many big roundabouts in Paris have lines drawn inside to stop, if a vehicle is coming from right. Example: http://maps.google.si/?ie=UTF8&ll=48...02411&t=k&z=19.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 09:32 AM   #460
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As far as I know people are obliged to have a car insurance, so I don't think insurance voids if you drive some roundabout.
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