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Old February 25th, 2012, 03:43 PM   #601
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Where is that? looks like BE
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Old February 26th, 2012, 07:26 PM   #602
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Seems to be the Netherlands: http://maps.google.nl/maps?ll=52.278566,6.433544&z=18
I'm afraid I don't have any recent figures about roundabout costs. There's been plans for a roundabout nearby for about 5 years, but one shop seems to be very difficult to expropriate. In the meanwhile, I keep on risking my life each time I drive there on my bicycle, as I need to merge into car traffic to cross the intersection

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Old February 27th, 2012, 07:03 AM   #603
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When the local authorities decided to replace a major bridge here in Appleton, WI, USA a few years ago, they had a choice for the irregular intersection at its east end - an upgraded conventional intersection or a two-lane roundabout. The engineering reports on that showed that the roundabout would require the taking ('expropriation') of six fewer houses and cost about a half-million dollars *less* than the intersection.

The wisdom of the decision to go with the roundabout was fully apparent within MINUTES of its opening - traffic was flowing freely and there were none of the backups that the old bridge and that intersection were well known for.

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Old February 27th, 2012, 09:34 AM   #604
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Similar price for this roundabout in Varna, although it was previously announced it will cost 4 times cheaper (and it should be - labor cost and materials are quite cheaper in BG). It finally costs about 800 leva which is about 400 euro. this is described as a scandalous scheme for diversion of funds and draining the city budget.

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Old February 27th, 2012, 10:50 AM   #605
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Does anybody agree that roundabouts in Italy are among the most dangerous in Europe? (for example the one at the end of the A4 coming from Milan going into Turin) The UK I consider the safest, with clear lane markings, apart from the one at South Mimms (A1(M) , M25).

Austria would be ok, if Austrians knew how to use them. But overhere there is no such thing as 3/4 turn (3rd exit) indicating. I'm the only one that does that. Same applies to Germany.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 11:08 AM   #606
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I know plenty of big roundabouts in Belgium without any lane marking on them. They don't feel dangerous I guess.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 11:20 AM   #607
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Are you sitting comfortably?
Ok, here it goes:
Belgium has pretty good roundabouts, and people use them well.

There, I said it.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 11:53 AM   #608
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haha

That's being honest I guess.

I have something to say myself: I think some are to small designed on secondary roads for big trucks, while those roads see plenty of big trucks in Belgium.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 07:40 PM   #609
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Does anybody agree that roundabouts in Italy are among the most dangerous in Europe? (for example the one at the end of the A4 coming from Milan going into Turin) The UK I consider the safest, with clear lane markings, apart from the one at South Mimms (A1(M) , M25).

Austria would be ok, if Austrians knew how to use them. But overhere there is no such thing as 3/4 turn (3rd exit) indicating. I'm the only one that does that. Same applies to Germany.
Lack of indicating on roundabouts is the thing that annoyed me the most about drivers, especially on mini-roundabouts
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Old February 27th, 2012, 10:18 PM   #610
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It's the biggest problem in Bulgarian roundabouts - drivers who don't know how to use them and almost nobody indicating... And also no matter at what exit they plan to go, they cross all lanes inside the roundabout on the shortest way, not respecting the markings.
It decreases the efficiency much.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 10:54 PM   #611
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It's the biggest problem in Bulgarian roundabouts - drivers who don't know how to use them and almost nobody indicating... And also no matter at what exit they plan to go, they cross all lanes inside the roundabout on the shortest way, not respecting the markings.
It decreases the efficiency much.
What does the police do about that way of driving?? Only watching? In Croatia the police has to control bigining of operating all new rotors
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Old February 28th, 2012, 11:01 AM   #612
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What does the police do about that way of driving?? Only watching? In Croatia the police has to control bigining of operating all new rotors
you can't have police on every corner, as the saying goes...
anyway, I think in any country we have problems with people that are just not capable of understanding certain theories about driving and it's not just roundabouts.
For example in Hungary we have no problem with normal roundabouts (and we didn't have any of them twenty years ago, so that's no excuse for Americans ), but we do have a problem with multi lane roundabouts. People are not sure how they work so most of them just keep to the outside lane, reducing the capacity and preventing others from useing it properly. At least here ignorance makes people go slow and safe and not fast and reckless through lanes as it was described in Bulgaria
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I wouldn't say they go fast and reckless, but they do not respect lanes - which means almost the same as in Hungary - they may be in the outside lane although they will leave on the 3rd exit, or they may be in the inside lane and leave at the nearest exit... and without indicating. So it makes it work like an one-lane roundabout, because no mater in which lane there is a car, all incoming cars stop and wait, because they don't know where it is going and if they'll cross directions with it...
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Old February 28th, 2012, 03:17 PM   #614
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i see. yes that's exactly the problem with it.
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Old February 28th, 2012, 03:27 PM   #615
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Belgium has pretty good roundabouts, and people use them well
Belgians often lack the use of indicators..
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Old February 28th, 2012, 04:31 PM   #616
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Belgians often lack the use of indicators..
No, Belgians have indicators as well. They may not always use them, but I've definitly seen indicators on Belgian cars.
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Old February 28th, 2012, 08:00 PM   #617
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you can't have police on every corner,
Not at every corner, but very often at new infrastuctures objects like junctions.
The 2nd question is about driving schools. Do they teach about driving at; one, two, three lane rotors?
The 3rd question is about vertical and horizontal signalization. Do they harmonize them and how does it look like? How does the left arrow look like?
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Old February 28th, 2012, 08:24 PM   #618
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Proper grade sperated junctions > Normal 4 way junctions ( with the main road having right of way) > Roundabout > Traffic lights > Roundabout with traffic lights ( = pure evil imho, do just traffic lights or a roundabout but not bloody both!).

Purely going on how fast you can traverse em. Safety has far too much influence these days, they should instead focus on what can handle the most traffic and as quick as possible.

Things like this:
http://maps.google.nl/?ll=51.967631,...08256&t=k&z=18
Are designed by an imbecile imho, in what way is that thing better than a normal wide junction with traffic lights like this :http://maps.google.nl/?ll=51.95108,4...08256&t=k&z=18 ?
Morons.
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Red car on picture is almost surely going out of the roundabout on next exit -

This is typical case of a roundabout with three lanes, which almost all the time functions like an one-lane roundabout. At least 30-50% of drivers make it so.
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Red car on picture is almost surely going out of the roundabout on next exit -

This is typical case of a roundabout with three lanes, which almost all the time functions like an one-lane roundabout. At least 30-50% of drivers make it so.
According to the rotors layout it is clear that it doesn’t have the straight and left arrows on the pavement. Suppose, it is the same with vertical signalisation. What position to take when approaching if you want to go straight on or to the left? This rotor’s design is very dangerous for new drivers and drivers who never drove on this type of junctions. There are a lot of things that could be improved on the showed one.


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